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mircea_popescu: for some definitions of afloat.
mircea_popescu: everyone does it every day because the psychological pain of the laternative is just too great. but, great or small -- you're all fucking drowning.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the reasoning "a. i have here toe of mummified saint justinian ; b. saint justinian once saved people from drowning ; ergo c. drowning is solved problem in my case" is batshit.
mircea_popescu: which is why it's all coming out of the tube here.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: this truth'd better be faced sooner than later. your x11 is x11 by abuse of terminology and naught else.
mircea_popescu: so to sum up this -- i have no dispute that everyone uses shards, bits and pieces hammered off named items, and pretends they're using the named items, "i use x11 in this so and so sense" "i use browser all day -- except not in any sense browser, of course" and so on.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: because in all honestly, i wouldn't even ~deign~ rto look upon the shit that's dailymail other than through n layers of awk. i don't CARE whjat they think they're saying asnymore than i care what the fetwhores think they're saying.
mircea_popescu: my choices work as lynx/curl.
mircea_popescu: but... yes, all these are tips of icebergs.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point is, if i am using emacs wm, WHY should i kludge everything. and if kludge is the way of the land, why do we give a shit about emacs.
mircea_popescu: fuck 'em.
mircea_popescu: who's gonna rewrite this into sanity ? and why, so as to save the mozillatards ? break all the cr50s they scattered everywhere to save them ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise... what ? STRICTLY only way to tell "do not load foreign pages" to "modern" browser is to turn off the dns port.
mircea_popescu: THIS is what i fucking mean re views. if i wanna see my data as a graph it'd be useful if it were right there in the editor, and if i wanna see websites it'd better also.
mircea_popescu: this pretense is just as good present as absent, you know ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, everyone uses curl, while pretending to have firefox. everyone uses terminal, while pretending to have x11.
mircea_popescu: what is this, the usg budget ?
mircea_popescu: i ~should~ be able to enforce memory limits per branch, not fucking "nobody knows why firefox runs out of memory, but it has been leaking for 10 years straight now"
mircea_popescu: ("oh, mp, people would turn adds of if we did that" "duh").
mircea_popescu: and moreover, why shouldn'\t i be able to see the dom tree and permit/disallow certain branches from running ?
mircea_popescu: some of them grudgingly still allow individual cookie inspection -- but NOT EDITING COOKIES
mircea_popescu: and it doesn't stop there ; are you aware "modern browser" won't even allow luser to set referrer string ? it's either "nothing at all" or else "Speak the truth". why ? so that fetlife can imp[lement faux security a la "oh, your referrer is incorrect, best relogin".
mircea_popescu: you've already stopped using x11. that you don't admit this, well, different story. but in point of fact, x11 is already off by default.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevertheless, consider : when the ~only~ possible use of x11 comes to fore, which is to say, playing a video game, all EVERYONE can think of is "how do i makew this a texrt client"
mircea_popescu: maybe i really don't want to look at it as a succession of numbers. why, because i'm such a troglodyte ?
mircea_popescu: is it ~so wrong~ to want to have either literal or graphical display for a csv, as an option ?
mircea_popescu: e to be able to not have to plot "< awk -F, '/Bitterbean/ {print $3,$5}' testall.csv" using 1:2 t "Better Bitterbean" w p pt 1, \"
mircea_popescu: but there;s a difference between graphical = "rounded corners" (in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-10#1821998 sense of that term, "One of the motivations for the changes is to enable animations and transitions. If you use gtk_style_context_save/restore in your draw() function, that prevents GTK+ from keeping the state that is needed to support animations; so you should avoid it when you can.") and graphical = "mp would lik ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so then we don't.
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mircea_popescu: censored name ?!
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mircea_popescu: one can literally spend hours laughing with it.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes inca can't use proper tools.
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mircea_popescu: this is production, workhorse website.
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aQ0op/?raw=true << look at this thing, for the record. just look at it.
mircea_popescu has seen the "debug" "expert" modes on every browser, holy shit...
mircea_popescu: do you have any idea what a ~proper~ model for javascript would be worth in productivity terms ?
mircea_popescu: why not just get rid of cpp css/js processors ; have proper execution model for javascript.
mircea_popescu: so you propose we keep a dom and an ast ?
mircea_popescu: best definition of what a cult is, incidentally. "why was this cut there specifically ?" "i dunno." that's it, that's a cult. can't answer as to why was something cut where it was.
mircea_popescu: understand, i'm not proposing the one tru way here. but i do want to know why the cuts are made, if made. because otherwise wtf.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so then, if no builtin browser, why have emacs as wm at all.
mircea_popescu: anyone ever tried to turn a csv into a png ? something like say http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-as-seen-by-mircescu/ ; very practical need driven item. it's a fucking travesty!
mircea_popescu: and so on.
mircea_popescu: if emacs is the wm, then it'd better a) rid me of browser and b) be capable of previewing for me the graph / naked slut / we i'm about to put on trilema, both BEFORE uploading and as part of the final page preview.
mircea_popescu: of course, proceeding blindly and randomly from the wrong edge etc. but the problem is obvious enough even cumshots on cumshothub notice it.
mircea_popescu: which is why the idiots make feeble efforts to reunite them, as recently lulzed at wrt unity, a few days ago
mircea_popescu: you need these two piles of idiocy separate like you need a penis for peeing and another penis for also peeing.
mircea_popescu: leaving this briefly aside, consider the idiocy of "traditional" linux stack. there's a... wm, running x11 ; and in it you load a ... browser... which does it's own windows management (now called tabs). ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not at all.
mircea_popescu: but -- yes.
mircea_popescu: i would very much support a lot of emacs effort if it gets one rid of having to ~also~ support x11 ; and vice-versa. for instance.
mircea_popescu: to put it more stringently, "if your machine dumping core doesn't produce an emacs session, why aren't you using dos again ?" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: thatr's why they even exist ever at all.
mircea_popescu: there's good reason to equate os and code editor, incidentally. as the ~fundamental~ job of an operating system is to transform machine failures into debug sessions.
mircea_popescu: as far as i can tell, we've not yet said "emacs is really not the name we give the tmsr-os"
mircea_popescu: consider the slime/elisp/c discussion again. how much of an os is this emacs going to be ?
mircea_popescu: people who expect to run it atop musl as opposed to atop gnarl, that's very much who.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in ballerinas for old men, https://78.media.tumblr.com/52a0cb16281b4564794608c85a2dced0/tumblr_npk9gyWPeE1taa3g3o1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: true.
mircea_popescu: eg, bash without screen is ~useless.
mircea_popescu: "does emacs need & ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect it might be more than "an infinite loop in sbcl, to not hose emacs" ; for instance, it might include & behaviour.
mircea_popescu: but the dos discussion, as well as the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1827171 should set this on sane footing. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: phf trying to whittle down the "ide" vs "wm" dispute. multithreading is a major point here.
mircea_popescu: so to beat this horse : is multitasking a desired feature, actually ?
mircea_popescu: for shame.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: how do you lose ancient arts.
mircea_popescu can definitely see the "i do not expect my terminal to do background tasks, that's what the servers are for. i don't have separable pairs of eyes" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and moreover, if that's ok, why not dos. seriously.
mircea_popescu: i can definitely see that.
mircea_popescu: ie, is it fine to say "you wanna chat, use gossipd ; you wanna program, use emacs" ?
mircea_popescu: but this yes, exposes a major question that may help. is emacs "ide" ? or is emacs "wm" ?
mircea_popescu: which is dubious base to start pouring concrete upon
mircea_popescu: the honest truth of the matter is that we don't even know what we want yet
mircea_popescu: but if it can't do everything then why have it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except for the part where i keep putting uniturds in all the time, persian, chinese, whatever.
mircea_popescu: moreover, and this is the very heart and soul of this here republic, one who discusses his problems acquires the two magical things : solutions ; and supporters. whereas one who toils in unknown "privacy" produces mcclims and such sad things.
mircea_popescu: so better start early than late.
mircea_popescu: myeah. and maybe the discussion is both a little premature and a little touching raw nerve ; but nevertheless the progress on packaging, first ave1 with musl, coming up trinque cuntoo, etc etc WILL lead to it.
mircea_popescu: because on the strength of "networking code C/elisp, that's required to use e.g. slime" how about you lot unearth the old borland c ide and use that and be happy.
mircea_popescu: i have great faith you see what i mean.
mircea_popescu: ^koan.
mircea_popescu: is the networking code elisp or slime ?
mircea_popescu: im not sure why you'd think that ; but not the end of the world.
mircea_popescu: it's all piles upon piles of hacks by "please, god, mom, someone, send someone who knows what shit is to beat me up for all this." kiddos crying for dad.
mircea_popescu: nobody involved with lisp coding, starting with rms, and onwards, had a functioning noggin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't even care so much about that, because of the well ilustrated, here and everywhere else, history of idiots involvement.
mircea_popescu: phf nah, this is a dumb approach. nevermind "what version", first and foremost, "what do we want here"
mircea_popescu: better punishment for putting a funny snippet in an online chat has never been metted out!
mircea_popescu: well, the soviets seem tho be inclined to think that's you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
mircea_popescu: because while pompously called "memory dump", it rather is just "make a binary out of lisp".