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mircea_popescu: but otherwise, teh us foreign service is sharply divided : either work for nsa & co, for very little money doing very stupid/boring shit ; or else work for dea & co for
as much money
as you can steal, doing rather stupid exciting shit that will 28% get you killed.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the socialists (partido justicialista, kirschner's people) had been i npower for decades. the change to other group of thieves (the us-soviets, macri & co) was full of animosity
as you'd expect, and now that they're in power the looting proceeds at a feverish pace.
pete_dushenski: 'ude pics
as IOU: a new, risky online loan among Chinese university students'
Framedragger: asciilifeform: incidentally how's the backlog of phuctor? i expect it's rather busy
as it is..
BingoBoingo: This is a serious bug in the Internet. I fixes oral history
as printed text too soon.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger that;s not necessarily the problem. the problem seems moreover that we have very weak understanding of items that nevertheless we treat
as key bricks in the planned construction. this "everyone knows" stuff is very dangerous.
Framedragger: (ahahaha re bassett disaster.. yeah i would view 'cache'
as an inevitable result of *constraints* (finite c).. i think it was a confusion of terms (spec / things that emerge from constraints), and i suppose the point of confusion itself is possibly an interesting object to discuss, etc)
mircea_popescu: for noobs
as you say : calculate the fluid ounces of water to be found in a lake of parallelipiped profile a quarter mile deep, two hundred yards long and six hundred feet wide.
mircea_popescu: but hey, you test it. "
as best you can". then nobody believes the results
mircea_popescu: i do not wish my os to contain
as much
as a fucking variable declared i don't use. not one.
mircea_popescu: but os
as fundamentally a library is like woman
as fundamentally a syphilis repository.
mircea_popescu: the deep stupidity involved should be directly apparent, but in any case - the system
as proposed violates the proper flow of entropy, and
as such MAY NOT HAVE ANY MERITS.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the way this continuum is handled in all failed human endeavours (computing among them, with such prideful items
as "social science" and so on) is for "all possible uses" of a concept to be "dreamed up" and "packaged" in a "conceptual library" which is then to be used verbatim.
mircea_popescu: there obviously exists a continuum between abstraction and implementation. the way this continuum is handled in ~all (and absolutely all) successful human endeavours is, that a concept is clarified
AS A CONCEPT ; and then that concept is applied to situations
as an application. like the war, roman arch, et all.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 05:22 trinque: using openssl
as a symbol, to the degree that your program relies on one, you cannot be said to have written any particular program at all
trinque: asciilifeform thinking of it from the perspective of "mind amplifier" says in order to represent
as much thought
as possible, gonna need hyperlinking
trinque: why then does it hvae the same import system
as C++ roughly
phf: well,
as far
as i understand it was us three arguing with asciilifeform from different angles
trinque: using openssl
as a symbol, to the degree that your program relies on one, you cannot be said to have written any particular program at all
☟︎ phf: sure, and the next step might be to trim down openssl
as much
as possible (which might be not much at all given limited resources) and rebase it into genesis
phf: i'm not sure i understand where compromise is. i'm comfortable working with big ball of mud. i see a vpatch
as a transition of state of mud to a new state of mud and vpatch is an exhaustive description of what that state transition means. it's signed by asciilifeform which is all the pedigree i need. vpatch itself can come with out of band comment "might be buggy" or "ready for war deployment". there are known problems with that approach that manifest at scale (like for example multiple slightly conflicting version of "utilities" or "math functions" that get copied back and forth, finding bug in one means that the other might remain unpatched, etc.)
trinque: one can always say "not
as much
as I've commited thus far"
trinque: and we'll never know because
as formed I cannot read bitcoin
phf: reading thing you wrote
as applied to a new problem might potentially reveal issues. "oh this code uses strcpy with null pointer, strcpy is included from `my` code, so i'm going to make a bunch of assumptions that break down in this case"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 04:29 mircea_popescu: the odds of two projects wanting the same exact verbatim pile of lib-code are ~
as good
as for a hash collision.
mircea_popescu: the odds of two projects wanting the same exact verbatim pile of lib-code are ~
as good
as for a hash collision.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: instead, he made one. by hand. to spec
as his project needed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform architecture long encountered, and thenresolved, this matter. there are "problems solved for all time", such
as, "the roman arch". nevertheless, no architect to date has yet written "roman arch" on a piece of paper.
mircea_popescu: can be
as long and lettery
as you want. still a hail mary string of no actual practical benefit.
trinque: the category is
as big
as it is, and no smaller
trinque: whether you've structured it
as such or not
phf: asciilifeform: i understand that but you're missing what i'm saying. you yourself said that you're not particularly trusting tinyscheme. it has overflow bugs, it has all kinds of issues, and keeping its apartness insulates ~you~ from a certain amount of responsibility. it's no longer serving a purpose
as part of a bigger trb patch, now it's this third party "pedigree" thing, that we can sort of rely on, but nobody's responsible for etc.
trinque: because you are considering openssl
as the word openssl or whatever function you've imported and it's signature
mircea_popescu: there may not exist any sort of pedigree, even
as a notion, other than from one of our genesis.
mod6: in way that asciilifeform lays it out, in the sense that this vpatch would start from 'false' and end on 'SOME_HASH' and create a file(s)|directory(ies) that did not previously exist, then yes a 'genesis' but only on concept - not in name.
as we shouldn't not confuse the two imho.
trinque:
as if there are zero instincts towards spreading seed in the male side of the act of sex
mircea_popescu: mod6 each genesis carves it's own "universe", of possible patches. asciilifeform prefers to call this universe "light cone". it could perhaps be argued that the applicable patches
as shaped by your trusted keys is more properly your light cone, though might
as well call it "trust cone" and be done with it
mircea_popescu: there is not nor should there be such a rthing
as "dual headed".
mod6: im fine with this too -- alf sees this
as a mistake. so just thought I'd take a minute to address the alternative. unless there is something that I haven't considered? asciilifeform? suggestions?
mircea_popescu: yeah but i'm totally lost
as to what you're saying. looky : v works by starting with a genesis. correct ?
mod6: one inflates the trb universe into bitcoin, the other into v. i guess it doesn't have to be that way.. v-genesis could be added later on down the line
as a leaf node. but then it probably shouldn't be named "genesis"
as that seems to break the convention.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-08 20:09 ascii_butugychag: i will half-seriously suggest that we refer to the ~set of patches, seals, keys~ that a particular vtron is aware of at his particular point in spacetime,
as... his lightcone
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing
as "cannonical", but there is a "total patch universe".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's go into detail here. so, the observation was, that
as v is used in multiple projects, it makes no sense all the files be dumped in the same directory. this is sound. what directory shall they be dumped into ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 23:43 mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have
as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror. All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory
as one would expect.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 23:43 mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have
as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror. All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory
as one would expect.
mod6: yeah, i'll have to work out something with that. i think on the server side, the hash value
as dir name is a nice touch
mod6: yeah, i might need to alias
as 7ad78d38... might get unwieldy for users.
mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have
as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror. All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory
as one would expect.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: rb ticket list -- just use add/edit/remove
as needed.
mircea_popescu: lest the reader be confused, let it be pointed out that pre ww1, the united states carried about
as much credit in europe (aka, the world)
as argentina does today. hardly anyone gave a shit about them, and the us president visiting couldn't get a hotel room on credit.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the observation that pearl harbour was just exactly
as much a dog and pony show of "no one could have foreseen"
as the 9/11 stuff is important.