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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo
http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your
time, but anyway. << If
they wanna write
the steps are available. Dun see
the point of
the kink exchange
mircea_popescu: socialist spawn can't fucking live in socialist world, c'est
tout.
mircea_popescu: birch seed can not grow under
the shade of adult birch
trees. beech seed can.
that's all
the difference.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and once it burns, blueberry move in,
then birch,
then beech again.
mircea_popescu: fucking derps using my first name.
to quote, "have we fucked ?"
mircea_popescu: which is why
the state-volcano, or state-plow or state-something is always needed
mircea_popescu: but outside of catastrophe, socialism fares as well as wheat. birch forest is
the stable solution, not fucking wheat field.
mircea_popescu: and
the moore law (pars pro
toto, it's really starting with steel) catastrophe created
the roosevelt socialism, aka "modern democracy" / "human rights" / "peace movement" etc.
mircea_popescu: the
tsar impedance mismatch created communism, ie, eco-first socialism ;
the ww1 shock created national-socialism, ie, "we're all equal except for
those schmucks" - and perhaps noteworthy here
that
the nazis couldn't quite decide if
they're enumerating badness or goodness or what. but
the idea was, "socialism within
the bubble"
mircea_popescu: the social notion of cheapness and
the individual notion of herring however fluctuate.
mircea_popescu: so
to come full circle :
the items of interest in (the otherwise very on point) question "how cheap energy before it is scania herring" are cheap and herring ; not energy -
that is always as cheaper as it always is, slightly more expensive as newton's death approaches.
mircea_popescu: note
that
the higher energy output of rice vs wheat has created ... larger azn cities.
that's all.
mircea_popescu: in
that sense, yes. not physically spent, but psychologically spent
mircea_popescu: socialism is
the equivalent of grain : may only exist after cataclysm.
mircea_popescu: after a generation of
that,
the value of walmart would equalize and we'd have a rehash of actual society.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-21 18:14 mircea_popescu:
there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and
there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
mircea_popescu: living in a
thoroughly alienated world where hit
targets were SO ALONE
they actually were you know, a sort of crumb.
mircea_popescu: by and large, anarchism is
this aspiration
to absentee parents.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of anarchists, it occurs
to me
the comic you linked a while back is a fine example.
the girl in
there is an out and out anarchist. she requires, for her anarchism,
the cartoonist
to draw
the nonsense she lives in ; or if out of meta, for someone
to create all
the items she uses and
then stay out of her way.
shinohai: Almost
there, @StartJOIN pitch almost ready, an Open Source PGP digital Key signing
tool
that we're after funding
to add new features"
a111: Logged on 2016-03-12 00:40 mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about
the era ada was fashionable.
there was such a
time - just like
that
time in
the 90s when everyone was eager
to implement linux-y
things and you didn't really have
to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason)
jurov: how
the saying goes... early cat gets
the bird
trinque: homeboy over
there has even hooked me up with free KVM access as a favor
trinque: Framedragger: if you get
tired of aws,
there's
this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using
☟︎ trinque: bet he's even brought you half-dead ones
trying
to
teach!
trinque: that cat is wondering when you're going
to stop
tapping oddly on
that desk and catch a damn bird
trinque: asciilifeform │ if
they don't,
they fight - where's
the enigma here << and
then
they fight, and someone wins, and someone's dominant, and whoops what happened
to anarchy
Framedragger: (that zmap paper matches
this estimate btw - 4.5min was it - 10gbps pipe - lessay 1GiB/s for 270sec => 270GiB; vs 2^32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 = 247GiB)
Framedragger will one day attempt
to participate in such discussion, anomism, hmm...
Framedragger: when i was walking outside
thinking of $ i got a similar figure in mind - lower bound maybe $30 and upper maybe $70, but prob $/GB rate was off in my mind
Framedragger: approx 4.2 GB of bandwidth used for 14.6k sshd-running IPs, hit rate ~= 0.02% (these are rather random, not guaranteed-to-be-used (only definitely not in reserved blocks) subnets it's possible zmap just doesn't flush
to file
that often at all - will check later wtf's happening). $0.155 per GB of bandwidth (first 15 GB free). running for 72 min
mircea_popescu: raud
throughout - really, unsociable species are doomed
to decay ? if only we decayed as much as
the scorpions did in
their lengthy existence.
they've stayed viable apex predators in
their niche for longer
than humans likely will.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the
trick, generally, of passing one for another is visible
throughout
the nigger career, whichever nigger one might pick. so kropotkin studied cooperation in nature ; which is fine, and observed
that it plays a role, which is
true. fuck,
tmsr is pretty heavy on cooperation also. aaaaaaand
then...
the sleigh of hand. really,
there should be no preferential distribution ? what
the shit. and of course,
the pious f
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the
trick of pretending one's own flavour of state is "merely human nature" is, i suppose, pretty effectual. also quite old, karl ziggler / friedrich carnegey did it
too!
mircea_popescu: turd flavourer how it may be flavoured is
turd by mass.
mircea_popescu: ie,
they need a sort of state like
the wasp's parents. dead corpse
to be eaten. still etatist
though.
mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and
there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no, it's because
they need a very specific sort of mommy
that's yet in short supply.
mircea_popescu: unless your fellow said himself "and if
they don't,
they fight and whoever wins was right", he's what i say not what you say.
mircea_popescu: but we're discussing kropotkin
the anarchist, not war
the phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in
the general - whenever ideologue makes presuposition as
to what humans are, or do, or will be or will do, he's
therefore and by
that an etatist.
mircea_popescu: kropotkin's necessary state is imported as
this cvasi-mystical "all men must x y z and will so!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or maybe mircea_popescu reads beyond what people like
to pretend
they're saying into what
they're actually saying!
mircea_popescu: they're against
the "repressive" ie, educational state. but otherwise,
the state must be
there for anarchy
to exist.
mircea_popescu: whereas anomist = one who rejects
the regulatory role of society.
mircea_popescu: (the "peace movement"/"modern democracy" flavour puts
the political one first, and is
the more fashionable
today. communism puts
the economical first, as per ziggler & co. used
to be most fashionable)
mircea_popescu: anarchist === socialist, with
the added flavouring of putting
the rejection of hierarchy socially above economically, politically or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: re-reading durkeim it becomes obvious
that a) omfg socialists everywhere, what
the FUCK is it with
this "we're all one" pov already! and b) being an anarchist is ~= being a bleating idiot ; what a man's supposed
to be is an anomist.
mircea_popescu: this is like "it was way easier
to do astronomy in 2016 bc, not nearly as much atmospheric pollution" "nor did anyone have any glass" "fu, i had glass!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ see ? leverage increase. do
this in 1996.
Framedragger: (ah it seems zmap's saturated
the 100mbps pipe quite efficiently. yeah will let you know re. cost, prob sooner
than expected heh)
mircea_popescu: anyway, so if you spun up 1k aws micros
the whole
thing could be done in ~a day.
Framedragger: gon
take some
time
to even start incurring cost
tho
Framedragger: i mean, i'm using some sort of free
tier now, lols. should be cheap..
Framedragger: mircea_popescu:
to get list of machines listening on port 22 using zmap on amazon aws micro instance with 100 mbps pipe, it
takes approx 9-10 minutes per /16. note, only what's listening on port 22, but ssh-keyscan should
then plough
through pretty quickly. will later run more
tests, i'll leave a single instance
to scan some /16s
to
then feed into ssh-keyscan