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mircea_popescu: yes, and that'd be the obviosu construction, but i'm unpersuaded. it dun fit.
mircea_popescu: ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself. ☟︎
asciilifeform: a meth-head who steals a broken alarm clock - to him it is valuable.
asciilifeform: i was speaking of a very concrete notion of value - that is, to the taker
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe it was really the italian thing ; except in a larger system composed of (individual-su space) vs (individual-us space)
mircea_popescu: value is merely an arbitrary, coincidental property of meaning. they stand in a relation similar to the relation the question "what;s the sun's value to us" stands with the question "what's the sun's meaning for us".
asciilifeform: i always saw it as a 'deny them to the enemy' thing but possibly it was really the italian thing ?
asciilifeform: just to set them up with taxi in nyc
asciilifeform: recall usa pumping out the ru maths, physics, etc folks ?
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "worth" and "value" like you keep advancing them. there's only meaning.
mircea_popescu: no. whatever's perhaps meaningful to someone somewhere.
asciilifeform: whatever's worth taking before pounding flat
mircea_popescu: but the discussion mayn't reduce to this. mere lateral example.
mircea_popescu: less opposition to buldozing an empty frame structure than a "our home".
mircea_popescu: well, before buldozing you take the contents out right ?
asciilifeform: but the contents ?!
asciilifeform: i could even see cn 'we shall bulldoze north american for liebensraum!1111' or the like
mircea_popescu: it's not hidden, and it's not valuable. it's just there.
asciilifeform: i.e. the hidden, still-valuable thing worth taking.
asciilifeform: i'd like to know where in usa is the horse.
mircea_popescu: you're stealing the thing you're stealing, not its meaning to some arbitrarily chosen party. cunt is cunt and stays cunt, even if currently in a bored, tedious marriage.
mircea_popescu: to imagine that a horse in the barn requires a man to steal, but the same horse out in the field "is not so strongly owned so even a toad could steal it" is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the premise said "of infinite power".
mircea_popescu: something very close to what tmsr demonstrates on a daily basis when "hey, here's a hole, who wants to fuck it" gets a hot rod ramming it within the day.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not so much power required, you said yourself, ru was cheap at the time
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no trace of it remains
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, the premise is not to be violated. when the fuck did soros become that powerful.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the monsanto that invented led lives in the same place as atari
BingoBoingo: In other news the popular press is referring to the company that invented the LED as a "seeds" company. Not even a chemical company anymore. Just a Burpee catalog with higher profit margins.
asciilifeform: what was the result ?
asciilifeform: that last one is ~same as what soros et al tried to do to ru
mircea_popescu: so... cunt. in this sense.
mircea_popescu: 3. you BUY all the studios, take them apart, and reform a large alien studio out of the parts. this is the end. hollywood will no longer mean anything to anyone outside of what it means to you.
mircea_popescu: 3. you create a major alien studio out of shit from the spaceship. this reduces to either 1 or 2 ; generally the mob will fluctuate and undulate and try to fuzz you out, see which of the two reductions works best for them.
mircea_popescu: 2. you invest in all the studios, and let them manage it. this will coallesce into a situation where you're "loved" in the particular way the mob loves. let's call it the marc anthony situation, why the hell not. you'll die at their hands, eventually, somehow. that's their love.
mircea_popescu: 1. you kill anyone and everything that displeases you. this will coallesce the more competent cunts around you, and unite the idiots against you. let's call it the swift scenario, for you're creating a confederacy of dounces.
mircea_popescu: now in this situation, you have a number of possible avenues.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're an alien unicorn being of pure energy and infinite capacity. and you go to hollywood.
asciilifeform: how's that work
mircea_popescu: again - not the item per se.
mircea_popescu: same thing murican oil magnates bought in milano cca 1886.
asciilifeform: they took too much lsd, or what
asciilifeform: then wtf is cn doing shipping anything to this here zimbabwe
mircea_popescu: i keep having to state this, my counter was barely 16 bits and so it overran. how many 65536 times did i say it already ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody needs usd for any purpose ; nor does that ~everyone extend past your pit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this happened once before, at the very least. americans used to go to yurp and buy "art" in the 1880s.
asciilifeform: in so far as i can tell from my pit, they only need usd, and only need it because of an elaborate chumpatron which encompasses ~everyone
mircea_popescu: Well, that's patriotism, the girls in this example show "love of their ghetto" and that's the thing upon which socialist Romania was built, if you're curious - a structure otherwise borrowed from Carlist Romania. Totul pentru patrie!"
mircea_popescu: ested pressed shitboard nightstand. But indifferent to all these points, they play a role to support a theory : the theory that here too, in the assghetto of shit "we got fine stuff", and a John who, even if only four letters long, is still quite as great as any Mircea come from afar.
mircea_popescu: at his feet, just like the other two. They're definitely not slavegirls, they have neither the training nor the skills nor in the end the needs or structure of that relationship, and no marble columns, no gardens where water sprinkles among the cypress nor artesian fountains springing forth marzipan await them at home, but instead the nude concrete walls, the [low class mass produced kitsch wallhanging stuff], the bedbug inf
mircea_popescu: " So we understand each other : John is some poor and kinda stupid kid from some ghetto in some indistinct townlet. One day, Mircea the Bad comes there on whatever business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches curled up at his feet and drinks a rum or something. The girls from the ghetto, for love of their country (in our example, that sad ghetto) pick John up forcibly, sit him down at the table next to mine and curl
asciilifeform: i.e. why they trade
mircea_popescu: in the us however, it's dry ambition. or to quote,
asciilifeform: it isn't entirely clear to me what the chinese even need from usa
mircea_popescu: at least in the ru privatisation, the driver was personal appetite, egotism, a will to live. that's good, no matter what the losers say. fuck the losers with a flaming spiked club.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even a matter of sons ; the usg has no sons, nor any vigor in the seed. it's a matter of desperation - everything americans don't buy, the chinese buy, take apart and move to china. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. damned zimbabwe, losing tracks of zeros already
mircea_popescu: meanwhile 2 obama, 2 bush, 2 clinton and a bush sr back, the share buybacks were 5% that.
mircea_popescu: the past ten years, share buybacks were ~3bn. of which 500 bn 2015 and 500bn 2014.
asciilifeform: hand out printolade to favourite sons, who are now 'legit owners' of x,y,z
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be an almost exact analogue to ru privatization, neh ?
mircea_popescu: (and where's the money come from, you wonder ? ah, well, usg.fed.jpm and usg.fed.gs are lending companies money to buy their own stock back :)
BingoBoingo: Anyways Bayer upped its bid to 62 bn USD for monsanto
mircea_popescu: (ah and in case anyone wonders where the money went ? M&A market. if you don't know what this is - it's when i buy your daughter to take her to shanghai.)
mircea_popescu: works in marriage, the same way. and so on.
deedbot: [Qntra] Ingsoc Victory: Britain's Children Too Fat To Breathe - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ingsoc-victory-britains-children-too-fat-to-breathe/
mircea_popescu: the ever-obnoxious reality of economics is that the people you want buying you never pay much ; and the people who pay much you never really want.
mircea_popescu: and it was a lovely decade, too.
mircea_popescu: maps quite exactly on your "hands in pies" theory.
asciilifeform: i've wondered, what's it even mean to 'buy russia'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is like "apple could buy russia" talk. no, they do not. they like to pretend they do. and much like the dumb housewife of some random local tough, some people BELIEVE THEM.
mircea_popescu: china bought 120 bn worth of us stocks from 2008 to 2015. it liquidated q2/q3 2015.
asciilifeform: the same folks have their hands in all pies.
asciilifeform: i just don't see this mythical 'fiat but not at all usgtronic' planet.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "fed policies" : the fed created a "bull market" that was really a paper bubble devoid of any economic substance whatsoever. guess who rode it to the very peak ?
mircea_popescu: "will it beat up superman" "dude... you think this is the cartoons ?"
mircea_popescu: you should see their tower in bsas.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the thread about the ICBC that's about as large as the sum total of us banks yet trades in ny on the pink sheets ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: where exactly lives the mythical paper-ANYTHING that is not usg-exposed ?
mircea_popescu: if the trend continues, 2018 will be the last year the us can finance ANY imports.
mircea_popescu: SO FAR THIS YEAR they've dumped about as much.
mircea_popescu: soo, chinese govt unloaded half a trillion "western world and modern democracy" (WWMD) paper in 2015, including ~300bn us treasuries. that's about 1/6 of their total exposure to usg bonds.
deedbot: [Trilema] Tropic Tunder - http://trilema.com/2016/tropic-tunder/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason this reminds me of the grenade proposal
asciilifeform: it will be interesting to see the hypothesis tested in the flesh.
asciilifeform: aha i recall thread
a111: Logged on 2015-10-01 07:57 mircea_popescu: the OTHER however, and in the us population without exception the more important, is toxin load. the body has two approaches to dealing with toxins : excretion and fat burial.
mircea_popescu came up with this obvious point independently, but ok!
asciilifeform: recall orlov's hypothesis re how american-fat will kill the victim if he begins to burn it ?
mircea_popescu: the human skin, unbreached, is a fantastic barrier to all this ; but like everything else it requires irrigation to function.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the margin phenomena of the human sphere are platelet agglomeration on one end ; and aerobic necrosis on the other. the former makes a scab. the latter makes what fly maggots eat. which way the wound goes is decided by how much useful blood shows up per unit time.
mircea_popescu: but sure, over time it perfuses. just, have to maintain an active lifestyle and a catabolic metabolism for years on end.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of the arrested jews were > 300 lbs, either.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 13:32 mircea_popescu: anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470702 << i'm pretty sure none of the folk in the ru photos of auschwitz etc piles were fat. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkenstein_ please send me a statement of accounts thanks.
mircea_popescu: shinohai oh, wait, 100 upvotes "speaking out" ? that's literally two cents.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you'll end up working at teh mortuary you know.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger "modern democracy", that's what it is. a collective of wankers posturing as people.