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mircea_popescu: i guess you stopped tracking earlier than me.
asciilifeform: nah that's idiocy.
mircea_popescu: physics the ended science.
mircea_popescu: that event had repeated itself > 100 times by now, or at least had, in the 90s when i stopped tracking.
mircea_popescu: what happened when the planet didn't appear on time ? they took the whole plumbing of math and physics and instruments apart.
mircea_popescu: and yes, "lower bound", you know ? like this : "if the universe ends up being less old than X, we'll have to re-do all these calculations, somehow. i have no idea how the fuck, so let's hope it doesn't happen - and also thar mars rises on time. fucking precession.
asciilifeform: good heuristic is not to bother calculating anything you can't ~do~ anything with.
mircea_popescu: "a proper prince's penis should be as long as my thumb" said the 12 yo princess in her diary.
asciilifeform: it is a dead end in that sense
mircea_popescu: even the sentence as stated, "oh, universe begun x bn years ago". "really, it was years ? what spun around what sun, that top of a mother of yours ?"
asciilifeform: the basic problem of 'let's calculate age of universe' is that you end with an untestable result.
mircea_popescu: hence a certain quaint oldstyle philosopher merit in the stance. "fuck you, you don't know anything" said diogenes in his 3600 yo tub.
asciilifeform: or that we aren't the ants in 'sim ant' whatever
mircea_popescu: there are all sorts of problems once you get out of the 3600 year bubble, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: for that matter we know for a fact that speed of light isn't a constant at large timescales.
asciilifeform: only really makes sense to treat it as lower bound
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's say that the resulting "age of universe" constant is more a function of what subset of experimental data you look at ; than anything else.
mircea_popescu: that happens to be exactly the same argument supporting the 3600 year world ; except with different equations.
mircea_popescu: it's all a matter of "hey, check out how well these variables fit". "mmmkay ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the specific number - yes.
mod6: faith that instruments and math/physics are correct?
mircea_popescu: they're both the result of application of faith.
mircea_popescu: ftr, the "official" notion as to the age of the universe is not ~fundamentally~ better than the "3600 years ago, fixed value".
shinohai: That debate was one of the lulzier things I have ever watched.
mod6: bill nye, the science guy
asciilifeform: who the everliving fuck is nye
shinohai: Where the word of Ken Hamm reigns over Bill Nye
asciilifeform: though most forget to add the delta
shinohai: My mind is boggled that danielpbarron could actually believe earth is only 6.1k years old.
mircea_popescu: well, so then. 3600 years ago.
danielpbarron: even the star-light is 'planted' in that those stars couldn't possibly have been burning for billions of years
mircea_popescu: ie, that it may seem like stuff is around proving otherwise, but it was planted.
mircea_popescu: whether anything is true or not is a complex matter ; but it could be arguabe ~to the same standard~.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me, one of the core idiocies of the pgp armour format is that it conceals screaming braindamage just fine
danielpbarron: that wouldn't be true; that's why bother
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron why even bother, rather than declare a number, and preferably a platonic number or something, and then forever stick to that. "it's been 3600 years ago".
asciilifeform: everybody seems to use the same english bishop's figure
danielpbarron: that's about how long it's been if you add up the years between all the guys listed in the geneology in The Bible, and then add how long it's been ~since Christ
mircea_popescu: the logical construction of "naked eye" in this context is, visible in the armored pubkey as user is expected to manipulate. whadda ya want now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it came in over the wire, it isn't visible in the nipple sense, period. yer stuck with toolz
mircea_popescu: like for instance, nipples are visible to the naked eye.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> for the record, as ridiculous as the whole "earth was created ~30k years ago << more like ~6.1k years ago
mircea_popescu: it meas that, naked eye.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it means what, ethernet cable on tongue ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, by the same logic, about half should be divisible by 3. scarcely any are.
mircea_popescu: a something like that ? what about 3 then.
mircea_popescu: what naked eye ? i paste you a pubkey and you tell me if it's even by looking at the armor ?
mircea_popescu: so he rolls 2 ints, randomly. that neither come out even is 1/4
mircea_popescu: i wonder why these are so rarely even.
asciilifeform: fella is one of them random int as modulus folk.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't become religious until someone extracts some spurious "should" and starts throwing it at others.
mircea_popescu: tons of inept shit people believe, chiefly because of the convenient insulation time provides.
mircea_popescu: ty evolved 50k years ago ; or that "temperatures have been raising", or or or.
mircea_popescu: for the record, as ridiculous as the whole "earth was created ~30k years ago by a trickster that salted it with fossils to fuck with you" is ; it is no more or less ridiculous (seeing how absolutes aren't comparable) than all sorts of commonly accepted idiocies. such as the notion that man "always" had some sort of "equality" notion, along with a whole host of imbecile anachronisms the general herd entertains ; or that humani
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 05:33 ben_vulpes: i am likely going to buy a license because what, i pay half that per year per staff member just to derp on ios shits with some modicum less of friction
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475471 << ben_vulpes where did i ever say that you ought not to buy it..? ☝︎
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475538 <<< thankfully, books never had prayers to Jeebus thanking him for silicon before project assembly. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nope. not anymore than "unwashed herd avoids music like soap" is hard to square with "vast majority of mp4 kilobytes date from period"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unwashed herd avoids pgp like soap' is hard to square with 'the vast majority of pgp pubkeys date to that period'... no?
asciilifeform: something, i expect, quite simple, just put in a JMP over the primality check .
mircea_popescu: why not ? what you say and what i say aren't in any sense exclusive. yes it was the time of a horde of imbeciles "saving hte world". the behaviour of such horde is exactly as per the soap example. an item will not be used because it exists and is useful ; consequently existence and functionality aren't predictive.
asciilifeform: ergo i expect that trivial keyz were not simply a matter of 'proggy P'.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 12:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475422 << that the herd is instinctively repelled by pgp, much like soap, so it's perfectly possible NOBODY uses some arbitrary windows offering. much like in the "creative writer and activist"'s house, the broom's not nearly as worn down as the mirror.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475482 << '90s were the era of mindless 'cipherpunk', pgp was 'the mirror' rather than 'the broom', mountains of pubkeys from that era ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yeah, and no small matter, esp for the age.
asciilifeform: hence the proliferation of flying toys
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cheap solid state gyros were prolly the 1 serious advance of the 2000s
mircea_popescu: they got great sensors, what. not the sort of item that can be usefully made in kitchen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was looking at the sensors
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475513 << these were at least not wholly devoid of actual physics. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: it has never been this great to be a teenager, i swear.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475509 << what's so great there? the brain-rotting 'arduino' sets that make it possible to 'build robot' in php and without knowing what electric circuit is or ever learning to wire light bulb? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.adafruit.com/products/561 << incidentally it turns out laser cut acrylic is/would have been just as cool as we thought.
mircea_popescu: that selfsame bounty does not work to somehow magically turn junkie into person.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-23 15:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even a matter of sons ; the usg has no sons, nor any vigor in the seed. it's a matter of desperation - everything americans don't buy, the chinese buy, take apart and move to china.
mircea_popescu: bounties work to get the juvenile sister of consummate junkie delivered on the cheap. hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470766 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: they do, but not for this purpose.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 12:09 mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475480 << as is usually the case, mircea_popescu is the grim plague doctor, complete with beak, telling us exactly when death will come - and pretty much always on target. ☝︎
asciilifeform: this is from the delta.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 13:14 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 721678451 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Sean Spillane (For public distribution. Will sign given adequate ID and authentication.) <tokuchan@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/864781822CD97BF399CC69446EAE99375685C425D99C61E0CF8F043C623E7772
mircea_popescu: yeah we could never make as cool robots as kid can today
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 721678451 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Sean Spillane (For public distribution. Will sign given adequate ID and authentication.) <tokuchan@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/864781822CD97BF399CC69446EAE99375685C425D99C61E0CF8F043C623E7772 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if one could somehow be protected from his imbecile ecofeminist mother / limpdick sec compliance father, that is.
mircea_popescu: it has never been this great to be a teenager, i swear. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: holy shit the stuff adafruit has on sale.
shinohai: or litmus test, however you prefer
shinohai: God I love trilema mircea_popescu ...it triggers so many people.
shinohai: I'm on @21's shitlist for showing them the picture of the Bitcoin "embassy" from trilema.
mircea_popescu: im sure it's yet another "technical leader" company consisting of the skeleton administrative crew of a failed dropshipper.
shinohai: 'We're gonna make pennies a day selling the data this thing collects guise!"
shinohai: crack rock being an adafruit sensor the simply rebranded and called their own
mircea_popescu: what's the crack rock ?
shinohai: BingoBoingo: would you publish an article titled "21 dot co releases rebranded crack rock for the reddit niggers" ?
mircea_popescu: think about all those memory offsets that suddenly can't be ints anymore.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 05:11 ben_vulpes: blessed be those who port c to php
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475465 << really should be c++ to javascript. ☝︎
shinohai: dammit Qntra feed died on twitter overnight
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475422 << that the herd is instinctively repelled by pgp, much like soap, so it's perfectly possible NOBODY uses some arbitrary windows offering. much like in the "creative writer and activist"'s house, the broom's not nearly as worn down as the mirror. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: must be some sort of "this is how things MUST BE i say, and i dun care what the lab results show" sorta item.