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mircea_popescu: can one even kill himself with a nagant ? ain't it too long ?
asciilifeform: once upon a time, mircea_popescu met a cabbie and gave him a broomstick. but original legend did not tell us that he also gave him a 1941 nagan, complete with 'tula' and red star, loaded with 1 round, and the learned man said to the cabbie, 'when you get bored of sitting on the broomstick, here - you can stop'
mircea_popescu: whenever you get bored of that design... stop.
mircea_popescu: what you call "a weak negotiating position" i call being a woman. you're supposed to take it up the ass ; that's the design.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did not grow up as the monkey in the puzzle and beating experiment. which is all very good for him.
asciilifeform: 'no mr bond! we expect you to die!1111'
mircea_popescu: what ever happened to "you want it signed, 5bn goes there. else take a hike"
mircea_popescu: exact mirror of the "what's derp to do" from earlier, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476883 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this is like "mp has never been married". you gotta CONSENT to be married!
mircea_popescu: "you want to get through, this is how you get through. you don't want to get through, here's an unsupervised mailbox"
mircea_popescu: or phuctor. link to here.
mircea_popescu: same thing qntra does.
asciilifeform: i have a box that gets 400+ pieces of shit every day.
asciilifeform: and the ruins of email.
asciilifeform: had to pollute the backs of newspapers instead.
asciilifeform: there was a time when derps and derpfarmers were not given net pipes.
mircea_popescu: dun think so.
asciilifeform: (was a thing.)
asciilifeform: it's a thing.
mircea_popescu: "we moved up in the world."
mircea_popescu: so then what "death of email". like "Death of lice", oh honey, what ever happened to all the lice.
mircea_popescu: seems more a mark of poverty than anything really.
asciilifeform: i did, at various times, as a very heavy cost of this 'earning bread' thing.
mircea_popescu: a) i never participated in groups where open address was the norm and b) you'd have to go through filters to get to me.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe i ever found myself in this "email" situation. not ever. trilema comments have been a shocking exception, but otherwise
asciilifeform: you can choose to call whitemail 'email', aesthetic preference i guess, but it is NOT same.
asciilifeform: whereas once there was such a thing as email.
asciilifeform: consider something as well-known as the death of email.
mircea_popescu: i dunno man, always takes more to write than it takes to not read.
asciilifeform: and will eventually bury the universe in shit.
asciilifeform: i'm with the latter. but also observed that 'resistance of the medium' is a thing, and that if cranking out crapolade costs 0, then the most prolix idiot is winner.
mircea_popescu: you can't well mix these.
mircea_popescu: but as per the latter... just fucking write, who cares.
mircea_popescu: historically, they tried to control commentary on the bible, for it distracted from bible study.
mircea_popescu: now, as per the former, you'd have to forbid anyone from writing anything about "neoreaction" because i dunno, they're clouding out the true truth as found on your blog.
mircea_popescu: the smart one, and also the historical winner, is to accept anything not-entirely-shitty, and let it sort itself.
mircea_popescu: the idiotic one, and also the historical loser, is to reject anything imperfect, and hold out.
mircea_popescu: to any human activity that's fragmentary and incomplete (such as writing, whatever the form), two fundamental approaches may be applied.
asciilifeform: hanno bock did his thing for the cost of a glass of schnapps or whatever. whereas in, say, 100 yrs ago, he and i would both have to pay for typesetting etc.
mircea_popescu: let's approach this from a different angle.
mircea_popescu: neither's true, no.
asciilifeform: and required dedicated, usually known, fella with axe to grind
mircea_popescu: seems scarcely any difference. the pow such as it was, always was some social capital, and not much at that.
asciilifeform: 'proof of work' did not prevent snow jobs (consider steven j gould's snow job targeted at 'bell curve', say, or 1,001 other examples)
mircea_popescu: i see not the difference. before, you had to get permission from authority to publish ; then, you had to get enough money / promise of sales together ; finally, you had to have a "following".
asciilifeform: and it is approx. like the situation of blog.
asciilifeform: whereas now there is ~not.
asciilifeform: detail re books is that at one point there was a certain 'proof of work' implicit in getting the thing on the market.
asciilifeform: which this
mircea_popescu: so then how did this become some sort of argument.
asciilifeform: hence why i pinch my nose and hear out the scavengers.
mircea_popescu: cuz it's not about what they are.
mircea_popescu: well, if it's all in eye of beholder, then books ~can't be ruined~.
asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu's intel inform him that spandrell's translations are in fact no translations at all and he pulled it all from his thumb ? or what.
asciilifeform: it is, and it would appear that we are beholding somewhat different inputs ?
mircea_popescu: so far this difference is entirely in eye of youholder.
asciilifeform: mechanism is that he finds the trufflez.
asciilifeform: talented truffle pig != rando shit vulture.
mircea_popescu: hey, you can't special plead. you gotta argue to mechanism.
mircea_popescu: it also killed it, but that's just a bad coincidence.
mircea_popescu: so then therefore we agree that more books being published is the best thing that ever happened for the book.
asciilifeform: 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' -- my grandfather
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "nobody on the internet knows you're a dog" does not excuse any dogs.
asciilifeform: i dun see this dichotomy.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a way inside here, is there ?
mircea_popescu: the fact remains that either you agree EVERYONE writing as many books as humanly possible is really a benefit for books, somehow (cuz you get access to supposedly valuable whatever the fuck you wouldn't have otherwise) ; or else you agree random internet dude picking up the web mantle and derping about how "the cathedral" sucks is really fucking up the work of the actual good men involved in tearing that shit down.
asciilifeform: i know nothing of spandrell's doom - perhaps he is raising his children in a madrassa, where they have perfect marks in shaheed belt preparation.
mircea_popescu: sooner or later it'll come back to "oh, you don't seriously mean to kill my children!111"
asciilifeform: and he has no dirigible! the nerve!
mircea_popescu: the fact remains random married derp who has to earn his daily bread has no right and no qualification to criticise society.
mircea_popescu: how is this supposed to work, "waiter can be as dirty as he pleases, not like he's the cook" ?
asciilifeform: or truffle pig, if you prefer.
asciilifeform: they dun need to be 'blue blood' or whatever, because they are bringing to me pieces from archaeological dig
mircea_popescu: do you mind discussing what we're discussing rather than what you're discussing ?
asciilifeform: possibly not world's best, but is the one willing to tell me about the emperor's bow etc.
asciilifeform: is a TRANSLATOR
mircea_popescu: if yarvin/spandrell/etc qualify to discuss society ; then literally ex boxers are qualified to pen books.
asciilifeform: and links to original txt.
mircea_popescu: they're fucking poor, for one thing. dependents to the hilt. what.
mircea_popescu: look at these people. what fucking right do they have to discuss "society" ?
mircea_popescu: ok, then by this same token you should believe "anyone can publish" improved books.
asciilifeform: is dung beetle qualified to describe chemistry of puterfaction ?
mircea_popescu: so you don't believe the situation where a man who is not in point of fact qualified to discuss these matters nevertheless discusses them actually "dillutes the internet".
asciilifeform: very much helped in my head to set the permanent bozo bit on so-called 'civilized society.'
asciilifeform: before there was bitcoin.
asciilifeform: he was also my introduction to the mechanics of fiatola.
asciilifeform: iirc this was his original interest.
asciilifeform: 'mold bug' is actual engl. expression for this.
asciilifeform: mr mold was a hilarious source of trivia re 100 yrs of usg rot. e.g., how kgb owned state dept., how prestige farming works in detail, etc. none of it original to him, he simply dug up the primary sources, best as he could. hence his nick.
mircea_popescu: you know even basic compiler puts a fucking ^ at the specific point where it lost it ? what am i going to do with "waitwut" ?
mircea_popescu: "i became more able to continue as an automaton in the fiat order"
asciilifeform: they didn't turn into 'agreement club' until much later.
mircea_popescu: quantify this much.
mircea_popescu: you like to act as if "books" are the same thing ; they aren't ; mostly because you like to think "people reading books" are the same thing. they also aren't. and sure as fuck "internet agreement clubs" aren't political instruments.
asciilifeform: i find it to be such a thing. e.g., spandrel from earlier thread, is quite readable.
mircea_popescu: so far we've not agreed this is part of any sort of catacomb.
asciilifeform: even there, there are lines where you have 2m of air and shit to yer knee, but in some you have 2m of shit
asciilifeform: ever been to or seen photo of old-school sewage catacomb ?
mircea_popescu: they're people who like to jack off.
mircea_popescu: there IS NO SNR of those folk.