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mod6: im proud to say no sql is used :]
mircea_popescu: mod6 he has a point you know, simply setting an index as "autoincrement" in your sql should supply this.
phf: but then i was thinking that i can periodically poll all the sources since_id=<last id for the source> and check things for consistency, etc.
phf: maybe the id can be optional, but fwiw it doesn't need to match what the btcbase has. as long as it's unique and incremental on your system. the main usecase is that if the bot drops, for the duration of reconnect logger wants to know what happened on channel. so can do since_time=<+-10 minutes around drop time> and then fuzzy shuffle messages in
mircea_popescu: i was talking to alf :) sure, lots of bots are loud.
mod6: i meant phf, but you too Mr. P. :]
mod6: anyway, thanks again for pointing me to that
mod6: but the rest I can do, and I won't be logging messages as this thing will drop pms.
mod6: the biggest pain about that format is the incremental id.
mod6: phf: you sent that to me yesterday right?
asciilifeform: fact is, a good chunk of the traffic on dulap 80 is from traditional bots who loudly proclaim themselves.
mircea_popescu: because one size fits all ; and easier to have it work this way universally.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just how the bot is written to work.
asciilifeform: even google has the pretty much whole surface-visible structure indexed now.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 01:02 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475379 << best api would be kako log format "<whatever incremental id your message has>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>" and "<id>;<timestamp>;*;<nick> <message>" for /me messages, with a parametrized endpoint, that takes since_time and since_id that return all messages since timestamp or all messages since id, empty document when there are none, and 400 if there's more messages the
phf: ;; later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477847 ☝︎
asciilifeform: it isn't as if the site somehow resists crawling of the usual sort.
asciilifeform: what does the bot operator get out of it ?
asciilifeform: i meant, what is the use of this.
mircea_popescu: it pays to do it that way, stays under rader.
mircea_popescu: what appears to you as sluggish is simply thing doing sluggish for someone else meanwhile.
asciilifeform: sure, if you ~only~ want to emulate 'human reader', it is not difficult. but what exactly is the point of this exercise.
asciilifeform: (can write bot that operates sluggishly, human-like, loads various unnecessary sub-pages, etc. but this means fewer clickfraudulent clicks etc.)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 00:56 mircea_popescu: "Hi team at Trilema How are you? I came across your excellent gaming site: http://trilema.com " << one of the pleasures of keeping a personal blog is that well... what is it ?
asciilifeform: mainly because it cuts into throughput.
asciilifeform: yes, in principle it is not difficult to pass 'log reader turing test'
mircea_popescu: there's big money in this, of course, and has for decades. "advertising industry" "fraud detection". it never worked.
asciilifeform: this is a typical and lulzy reversal of the usual mircea_popescu vs asciilifeform mega-threadz
mircea_popescu: the notion one can distinguish a supervised bot from a slightly less supervised bot is wishful thinking ; no matter the effort expended.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if bot, it was a spiffily human-like bot. when you have log scrolling in one eye all day, ~every day, you get a feel for the zoology
mircea_popescu: this entire "web numbers map to people" theory is just about as ridiculous as the whole "bitcoin addresses map to people" theory.
mircea_popescu: or random bot following links to "seo"
jurov: i posted the phuctor urls to his blog, and it's rather popular
asciilifeform: yes, could easily be his sworn enemy, praying for his key to pop, wahtevr.
mod6: As soon as we get through the testing, will deploy here and hopefully can turn attention to trb stuffs.
mod6: So tb0t has a test plan, and is entering the final testing phase. Will keep ya posted.
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4222B8F63EF091A0CD257743909482862B9D7D34A7FD4E635A71C9471097BEEA << this fella checks his key ~every single day. herr kucera, if you are tuned in, speak up !
mircea_popescu: we're enjoying teh benefits of well running servers.
jurov: i'm not interested to keep coinbr running on such "fundament"
jurov: mircea_popescu: wtf is with mpex? it's like third time new order receives a signed receipt from mpex, and then completely vanishes
mircea_popescu: romania does have a happy tradition of ending up caught in conflicts between various idiots, i'd be much surprised if this changed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'no motivation to pester' thing is possibly changing, as ro is slowly converted into usg forward base
mircea_popescu: i suppose "power standards for tmsr home" is yet another item we should eventually write up huh.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski look for 'double-converter' ups - 1500VA and up. these draw current at all times, and lack the familiar relay 'click' - the inverter is always on. they come ~exclusively~ in rack-mount shape.
mircea_popescu: nothing's nicer in this world than a russian with his balls in vice.
mircea_popescu: the ru know that ro have plenty of their own ; also tech leader. no motivation to pester them whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: also, romania has plenty of gas ; was running out of coal at the time.
asciilifeform: dunno about ro, but where i live gas is piped in by the city
mircea_popescu: rather than rely on machinery in state owned building.
mircea_popescu: that they rely on a machinery in their own hands with a commodity input
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's so spiffy about this. so now they can rely on ru gas instead of own coal ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, i wasn't criticizing your thang.
mircea_popescu: for instance, romanians in the 90s moved off the "central heating" paradigm on to individual gas units.
asciilifeform: and my point was that you can get a ~very~ good, and almost man-portable double-converting ups for almost nothing.
mircea_popescu: well that's sad.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here in the north americanistans he can get absolute rubbish installed for maxint.
mircea_popescu: yeah the large lights were very vulnerable, and expensive as fuck.
mircea_popescu: all this, incidentally, was pioneered by filming crews.
asciilifeform: esp in a climate with <0 temps
asciilifeform: nobody keeps serious battery (for double-converting ups) outdoors, they die 10x faster
mircea_popescu: so yes, it filters power throughout ; it supplants short timed blackouts electronically ; and longer course ones while the fuel lasts.
asciilifeform: the battery in this case ( mircea_popescu's outdoor wagon ) is used to start the diesel.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477901 << gensets, either BingoBoingo or mircea_popescu's, do absolutely nothing until ~30sec or so after total blackout ☝︎
mircea_popescu: oh look at that, south african race relations are a paragon for the entire world :D
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if you own rather than rent, buying a large unit is a good home improvement move. for one thing, all electronics benefit from power filtering etc, tv sets, whatever has chips in it. for another thing, redundant power is great and brownouts a thing everywhere. not the worst 5-10k you ever spent, can just sit in the basement and make your day for a week each decade or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 04:17 pete_dushenski: unrelatedly, can anyone recommend a 15min UPS for a workstation ? the power in this building/town is going to the fucking pits, even if it is really goddam cheap.
jurov: pete_dushenski: i don't believe these can sustain anywhere like 15min at 400W
pete_dushenski: which can pretty much be summed up by this : https://65.media.tumblr.com/c48259277b779bf1ae794ce5ae95fa74/tumblr_o7w0i51Y5C1vvj8mlo1_500.jpg
trinque: They have always claimed that we Black cannot run an organization like AFRINIC (too complex for our small bird brain...) ... I have leaved [sic] through that during my 10 years as CEO both in Africa and globally. But the reality is that our own people let this kind of thing perpetuate. << muh sides
pete_dushenski: ya not a lotta portsmen in the prairies or midwest
pete_dushenski: moar decentralised too
BingoBoingo: Exact runtime/fuel consumption can be readily calculated on the Honda
BingoBoingo: Or that honda with its ~14 liter tank can also hit 21 hours, but with less plugged in.
pete_dushenski: less heat loss, transmission loss, obvious practical issues, etc.
pete_dushenski: so about $5/hr to run a neighbourhood's workstations
pete_dushenski: i'd guess about 15-20hrs of runtime on a 90L tank
BingoBoingo: Anyways diesel is better generators, but there aren't non-chicom small diesel inverter generator makers.
BingoBoingo: That affects runtime in case all the oilsand burns in a wildfire
BingoBoingo: No, I mean how much fuel to make the powah?
BingoBoingo: Nah, don't want to fuck with CO
pete_dushenski: or exhaust out tailpipe emissions from garage
pete_dushenski: 5.6L of power right there
pete_dushenski: 15min at 400w, to be more specific
pete_dushenski: unrelatedly, can anyone recommend a 15min UPS for a workstation ? the power in this building/town is going to the fucking pits, even if it is really goddam cheap. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/06/intel_xeon_e7_v4/ << TWENTY-FOUR TERABYTES OF RAM
mod6: yeah, that thing you told me about alf. yesterday?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-04 18:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 03:42 mod6: if there is a 99994, soonish, it'll just contain any fixes required for this openssl issue.
mod6: if there is a 99994, soonish, it'll just contain any fixes required for this openssl issue. ☟︎
mod6: and am not positive on import/export making it in yet -- needs further review testing
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> mod6: any timeline on the 99994k release ? looking forward to testing trb with import/export, etc. << not at the moment.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 03:22 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 2574566617575 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Evans <christianevans@me.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B54188EC4A02DF01D9950B337AFFDD7247743792F797E17FC7E37E6C22AF733
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477876 << 'make the rubble bounce' (tm) (r) ☝︎
pete_dushenski: anyone else, i'd be reaming their incompetency, but mp has own dictionary that supersedes oxford, etc.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 2574566617575 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Evans <christianevans@me.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B54188EC4A02DF01D9950B337AFFDD7247743792F797E17FC7E37E6C22AF733 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "woman in vietnam sells airline - check out the bikinis". schmucks.
pete_dushenski: i think it's genetic
mircea_popescu: dude... how can anglotards be this dumb, seriously now.
pete_dushenski: in other news, "More than two-thirds of the Humvees the US supplied to Iraq to fight terrorists have ended up in the hands of Islamic State militants" which is like saying that 2/3 of chip foundries given to the chinese to fight inflation and unions are now being used for bitcoin terrorism. heh.
pete_dushenski: mod6: any timeline on the 99994k release ? looking forward to testing trb with import/export, etc.