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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (how to know that schwartz (or taleb, or...) collects 'prize' rather than usg stooge with a shannonizer and irc connection - exercise for alert reader.) <<< if you recall something sort-of like that was tried, except this "major prize" approach is flawed as you explain. so, better version was tried :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if ussr were alive, perhaps he'd have defected. << a fine example of why the "one world, one fuhrer" delusion of government is unproductive.
mircea_popescu: decimation: I called up NIST a few weeks ago, asked them how much it would cost to measure the phase noise of an oscillator. They said it would only cost their time, which would come to about $10k! for a morning session <<< in other words, "can only work if you have supply of bezzle dollars", ie, "only with scrip saying it's ok signed by stalin"
mircea_popescu: decimation: okay that makes sense << what he means by provenance being that if you measure in argon and he measures in xenon, it's not directly obvious what the functions look like to verify if you got the same result and quantify the eventual differences.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: there's always an 'imaginary particle' involved <<< in phairness, this is how physics works all through.
mircea_popescu: specifically, the "foreign interest" was putting forth gold standard to fleece the "hard working" "real" americans.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, all the "buitres" scandal in argentina today is exactly reminiscent of midwestern and californian pro-silver aggitation in the 1880s
mircea_popescu: decimation: yeah back in the early 1900's the whole idea of the 'silver dollar' was the precursor to the modern bezzle << not so clear cut, really. more like a power struggle between west and east.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: With regards to coins, you only need to avoid the very, very limited types that are assumed to be stolen from the mint << it's only limited for now, and as a reflection of the coins actually physically found so far. as more juicy morcels make the beast salivate, they'll become less limited.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: kanzure: nah, those're plain old ruins <<< and this you know how ? :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah that's where saddam was keeping his chem weapons ?
mircea_popescu: (in general your take is about the same as if publishing a book : about 5 to 10% after govt, agent, editor etc is done raping you)
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud how much did he get to buy beer for ?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud here's an exercise for you. today you find in a yard 1k coins of 10 grams each, minted 1750.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me it's time to go down on sam's club for acting like a bank w/o a license.
mircea_popescu: seeing how supermarkets also offer lockable containers on the same premise as banks do
mircea_popescu: this is what fucking moral hazard means, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: in usa, people have contracted the disease of thinking that money can substitute for everything, including brain and balls << well their government kinda depends on this principle, so if it';s good enough for the king...
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: yeah I think the main point is that you might store papers and things that would be moderately annoying to replace in case of fire << divorce.
mircea_popescu: (look at what happened when people thought the church is a people, started donating a little to it and inadvertently created the largest landholder because unlike them, thge church didn;t die regularly)
mircea_popescu: decimation it's complicated, but in general property is the bane of human existence, so any absolute property has the potential to be absolutely murderous.
mircea_popescu: and people who like to live have enough sense to understand this difference.
mircea_popescu: if you like living, pay is not really a relevant consideration.
mircea_popescu: and it links quite well into "what would the devil have to pay you for you to love him".
mircea_popescu: in it. This can’t be delegated, it’s a personal thing. Like citizenship. Like nationality. The only nation immune to the fate of Rhodesia is a nation of that kind of people, living in that kind of world.
mircea_popescu: There isn’t, nor is there going to be a way, manner, instrument or device through which to protect the passive from the active. If you’re not prepared and absolutely willing to spend any amount of time up to the entire rest of your life seeking out and butchering leeches with only the satifaction of well applied, excruciating cruelty as your reward, you’re not made for this world and you won’t long have a place
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: very few physical objects are worth the cost of raising an army to keep arbitrarily large horde of orcs away << this argument is flawed in the following way : for he who is repulsed by war, this holds true. for he who however enjoys war, no payment is necessary.
mircea_popescu: (you wouldn't be able to arrest anyone, but you would be able to void any application for a warrant)
mircea_popescu: decimation: The20YearIRCloud: When I say "allodial title" I mean something like having the right to arrest anyone - including government employees - on your property << that';s maybe going a little far. but the right to quash any action of anyone involving that land is germane.
mircea_popescu: xmj experienced live a tiny case study of this general principle, originally.
mircea_popescu: now try and argue why it's not really fair that you're negrated because some major players didn't like your early anti-bitcoin involvement.
mircea_popescu: "your negative rating in the wot means you can be killed by anyone and nobody'll care or do anything about it"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will probably come down to "you're not in the wot, and so therefore may not claim to own property or pretend to sue anyone"
mircea_popescu: on the strenght of the zero one infinity rule alone, and of the banal observation that bitcoin also has no historical precendent, it seems... unwise to bet that 1 is the lucky number.
mircea_popescu: here's a thought : everything that has historical precendent now didn't originally.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the "no historical precedent" is what the bureaucrat instinctively answers
mircea_popescu: ussr isn't remembered for having been led by the smartest people ever.
mircea_popescu: no questions asked, and his children will be raped for the public record.
mircea_popescu: and which is why it's so important to get the message loud and clear to any bureaucrat anywhere, that if it comes to war, and we win, he will hang.
mircea_popescu: overall, these would be "softeners" work as hardeners and are quite useful.
mircea_popescu: which is the point of a "justice system" in the first place.
mircea_popescu: so, some may try to soften the target, which allows the target to populate the road towards it with heads on pikes.
mircea_popescu: any supermodel material chick will tell you nobody dares, on the assumption.
mircea_popescu: take any stirkingly beautiful woman walking into a bar. is she more likely or less likely to be hit on ?
mircea_popescu: for everyone. this is not a valid objection any more than saying "for as long as gravity is still in force"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at reality ranch, obtaining superior fire power in a limited geographical area is a trivial task.
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: unfortunately if the "from whom" is usg in its many forms, the answer is largely: nowhere << bs lol.
mircea_popescu: decimation lmao at those terms. so... why get it then ?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: There's a town close to me that once every year auctions off 250-350 safe deposit box contents, you bid per box and don't know what is in them. All are seized from people who either didn't pay up or forgot about em << isn't there a reality show predicated on this process ?
mircea_popescu: blast romania has this too. it's called gaina, which is how you say hen, and it's the place surpluss women were taken by their tribe for to sell over to another tribe for > 5k years.
mircea_popescu: seems of the ilk of "island of women" and "tower of song", ie, cheap notional filler for "virtual spaces" a la video games
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i don't get what this "let's all go huddle together" thing is supposed to do.
mircea_popescu: so mebbe there's some meat to the assertion, vi inhabits a middle that doesnt really exist
mircea_popescu: but actually... i find myself using nano a lot moar these days