asciilifeform: if not supplied by rng - trivially works.

asciilifeform: if thing is supplied by usg, whole thing 'probably' leaks 100% of bits to washington.

asciilifeform: and it buys you the final solution to crypto headache.

asciilifeform: can fall over to new pad without old one being wholly exhausted.

asciilifeform: and incidentally service doesn't have to mean interruption.

asciilifeform: didn't we just do a thread where mircea_popescu said 'piss on current-day 'reliable' ' ?

asciilifeform: as in, hose with two ends.

asciilifeform: it works for POINT TO POINT phone. modem. whichever.

asciilifeform: fill time, in hours, using 100MB/s rng.

asciilifeform: by letting the two units fuck.

asciilifeform: thread was re point to point link between people who know one another.

asciilifeform: mechanism weighs the same, has same physical shape.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the use case contemplated, there ARE no problems.

asciilifeform: if not for this, you're stuck with in-person wotting and broken glass rods or other physical mechanisms of unforgeability.

asciilifeform: which merely require strong hash, to exist.

asciilifeform: wot, incidentally, and contrary to popular belief - doesn't!! could, in principle, use lamport signatures.

asciilifeform: and yes, bitcoin (in the most general case) relies on there being such a thing as strong asymmetric crypto.

asciilifeform: but canaries do not come with guarantees of timely death.

asciilifeform: trinque: bitcoin is arguable best - to date - cryptological canary.

asciilifeform: consider the lengths that were gone to, in order to keep folks using rotors after vernam (otp) was a thing.

asciilifeform: quite arguably the entire 20th century circus re symmetric crypto (and possible every other kind) has been an elaborate - possibly engineered - distraction from this fact.

asciilifeform: in the sense of a permanent thing that does what it says on the box

asciilifeform: essentially the Big Dirty Secret re crypto is that NO ONE HAS YET proven that non-otp cryptography ~actually exists~

asciilifeform: it is that using ANY system other than otp moves some nonzero qty of info re plaintext with the ciphertext.

asciilifeform: trinque: the answer is: ~something~

asciilifeform: the point is to NOT USE ANYTHING ELSE

asciilifeform: trinque: do you understand the point of otp ?

asciilifeform: and can anyone suggest good reason why a p2p link between two permanent stations ought to be anything other than otp ?

asciilifeform: 9600 is MOAR than what your telco gives you for voice chan.

asciilifeform: years of 115.2kBaud, plenty adequate to do ~whatever.

asciilifeform: i can't be the only one who ever did this bit of arithmetic.

asciilifeform: 1TB can fit under the skin of little finger, no need to even open arse.

asciilifeform: of shell time.

asciilifeform: difficult to escape this conclusion.

asciilifeform: can't see any other model for this.

asciilifeform: the usg circus tricks weren't cheap, and were very clearly carried out with the assumption that no one would ever discover working crypto.

asciilifeform: now that even pigeons in the park know that 100% of telcos participate.

asciilifeform: moar lulzily, where is the supposed 'economic devastation'.

asciilifeform: ^ old nyooz to connoisseurs, but lulzy.

asciilifeform: l gets shared by two independent espionage entities.'

asciilifeform: be transmitted over a U.S. border, then legally the NSA/CIA/SCS will claim that it then falls into an international transmission and that they are justified in performing an intercept, even though it is a domestic call, but because it was shot out of the United States over an international loopback. Another wrinkle is because this loopback to the UK, the British government will also intercept it at the loopback point, so that the cal ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'At Tuckerton, Lynn, and other sites, since just after 9/11/2001 if you place a call from Washington, DC to Boston, the call does not actually get sent over underground cables inside the United States, but rather the call gets injected into an international landing site, and routed to Great Britain, and then sent back to the same U.S. Landing location, essentially being a loopback in the UK. Because the loopback caused the signal to

asciilifeform: version of the license and then a classified addendum to the agreement. The company who seek the license will be assigned a classified compartments code name that will be "Top Secret/ESI" with the ESI standing for "Extremely Sensitive Information" as disclosure could directly lead to economic devastation to the company, and their involvement must be kept secret.'

asciilifeform: 'When any U.S. telecommunications company wishes to install a physical fiber optic connection, and that connection cross into or out of the national borders of the United States, the company which terminates the fiber, in what is called a "landing" is required under federal law to obtain an "International Landing" license, and this is done via the Federal Communications Commission, and there is ALWAYS, repeat ALWAYS, an unclassified

asciilifeform: someone said this ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480309 << ben_vulpes this is a quote ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: at one point they were 'anonymous' but then merchants were usgized into collecting names, addressed; today they are largely used by lumpens who can't get normal phone (as it requires credit history)

asciilifeform: wouldn't that put a small upper bound on the loot ?