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ben_vulpes: each single breaking change was
the result of an entirely wankatronic 'upgrade'
to
the compressor lib
to
take more dependencies on more stupid django internals
ben_vulpes: i actually had
to walk django-compressor backwards
through its released versions, something like 3 whole major releases just
to get it
to work with
the django 1.3.5
that
this site needed
ben_vulpes: *tearing noises as /me excises more sillicon valley horseshit from client stacks, fixes all problems
that had previously been papered over with docker, and deploys
to fresh ubuntu 14.04*
ben_vulpes: i wanted
that old ubuntu for a motherfucking reason
ben_vulpes: i went
to upgrade a docker installation and
they pulled
this gorgeous
trick where
they actually deny access
to repos based on docker client version
☟︎ ben_vulpes: oh it routinely fails
to be useful
to old installs
ben_vulpes: no, but do you know what i'm going
to do? buy a fucking laptop engrave your company's name on it charge you for it install your shit on it and keep it.
ben_vulpes: and you raise
the issue with railsfolk of standing and
the response is almost always "yow.
that sucks. have you
tried docker?"
ben_vulpes: the publically available
toolchain is ~worthless.
davout: ben_vulpes: i guess
that sucks...
davout: more like "oh, ruby 1.9 doesn't support
this new 2.0 syntax, let's just sed it into sanity"
☟︎ ben_vulpes: meanwhile i need
to boot rails app X running ruby version Y with subtly different deps from rails app Z running ruby version Q in about five minutes.
ben_vulpes: "oh well i usually just work on one
thing for 9-18 months at a stretch, jump
to a new job and
then wipe
the entire install after a week of
tearing my hair out"
davout: i probably have much less experience
than you juggling between X
turds from Y different clients
davout: i usually beat
those into submission so
they work with
the ruby i use
davout: either install ruby package or build ruby from source, at least
that's how *i* do it
ben_vulpes: probably because you figured out how it worked before
those became
the hot new 'right' way
to do
things
davout: ben_vulpes: been working with rails since '07, never, ever used
that shit
davout: ben_vulpes: i never understood
the appeal of
these
turds...
mircea_popescu: in other dubious news,
this country is fucking incomprehensible. so i made mayo out of
the greatest fucking eggs. clearly corn fed, happy chickens. same shop,
tomatoes...
the mealiest most retardedly disgusting ship-grown
tomatoes. wtf! it's like
they only shave half
their face.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: have you
tried
to run down "best practices" wrt installing ruby and rails on a macintosh?
ben_vulpes: and burgeoningly
the go environment as well
ben_vulpes: docker adoption is largely driven by people who can't get it
to work on
their workstations
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shipping vms around is already sop with
these shitheads
trinque: asciilifeform: docker;
that's exactly what
they do
mircea_popescu: it's like
they've ~all imported a bunch of known-broken, proven-dysfunctional mental
tools and by god will fucking use
those! EMPATHY!
mircea_popescu: his concern is circumscribed much more narrowly - what's
the paperwork say ? "not an error!"
mircea_popescu: but anyway, very illustrative. derp's problem is not WHAT
THE
THING IS.
mircea_popescu: which historically has existed specifically so as not
to meet
them.
mircea_popescu: they've
taken cubical drone wisdom
to what's left of open source.
mircea_popescu: "mpapis commented Dec 22, 2014 it is standard and harmless
thing, but ruby could allow filtering out
this flags,
this could be done as part of
the filtration process
that already happens in preprocessing in miniruby - but I do not
think it would be considered as a
ticket without pull request / patch
to address
this problem."
mircea_popescu: "behrangsa commented Dec 22, 2014 @mpapis, I didn't know
that. If
this is something common
to gems with native extensions, etc. and how MRI works and it is harmless,
then I have no complaints. "
mircea_popescu: " mpapis commented Dec 22, 2014 @behrangsa its limitation of remembering compilation flags by ruby, when
the binary rubies are compiled by me or on
travis
they require
to be given paths
to statically linked libraries (*.a objects) -
this path is
then remembered by ruby and added
to every gem compilation, as you can see
this is not an error as only warning is issued, if you feel
this requires fixing open a bug for MRI asking
mircea_popescu: if you're gonna do
that might as well engine neh ? but anyway!
mircea_popescu: "oh, just you know... in port. and... at night. or when
tired. or you know, when have
to actually get somewhere."
mircea_popescu: also, vikings satisfied
the rules. 100+ men in a 50 meter boat.
mircea_popescu: ftr, ocean faring with sails is a) not particularly practical in groups under ~100, nor with per-capita footage over ~1 meter or so ; nor can
these really be women.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-10 19:18 mircea_popescu: fuckbed + coupla off duty girl beds + basic comforts like
that. cooking remains a problem, obviously. but hey, at least you got
the generator with you.
mircea_popescu: fuckbed + coupla off duty girl beds + basic comforts like
that. cooking remains a problem, obviously. but hey, at least you got
the generator with you.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: 70ft items are about 1.2-1.3mn, and closer
to comfortable.
trinque: asciilifeform │ what's 'dickless' or 'failed' about a 40ft yacht full of benjies ? <<
the world belonging
to someone else
Framedragger: the whole fucking UK is built on
this back-and-forth financial-wannabe masturbation. in
that sense, "fuck your mother" (which includes such material manifestations as russian winter as you
try
to move
troops in it) sounds much more sober, lively and worthwhile, heh. /incoherent-ranting
mircea_popescu: hence "apple could buy russia - if only it wanted
to!" "oh yeah, what about russia ?" "oh, putin just doesn't understand how
the world works" "oh yeah ? and who;s going
to show him ? you ?" "democracy! humanrights!" "fuck your mother."
Framedragger: what's funny is
the kind of schemes
that
these views make possible. e.g. you go
to bank and bank says your co is worth shit.
then you discover
that you have "goodwill" etc. so you create another co. and license
the use of
the main co's
TM etc. use
to
that other co.
then you go
to bank and show
these invoices etc.; voila, inflated value
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the failure and dicklessness attach
to
the derp not
to
the item.
mircea_popescu: also of some (psychiatric) interest,
the nonsensical attempt
to equate "meaning" altogether, as
the concept, with
the shoddy, untenable implementation by usg & friends. "ip" is not
the superset of noesis ffs.
mircea_popescu: and get yachts quite as long as
the "sec compliance" dickless failed lawyers or w/e/
mircea_popescu: the "all intangibles are ip" is a similar clump of crap, sprouted by dickless failed lawyers who want
to live
the rest of
their life in
the "ip dept",
mircea_popescu: there's
this pile of special pleading/peculiar interest "views" on reality. such as
the marketeer derping about how "everyone else - contributes
to costs ; marketing dept contributes
to revenue".
Framedragger: we consider
them
to be ip,
then
try
to put onto balance sheet,
then inflate another co's value
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: IP is not just source code but shit like brand etc, and goodwill behind it. i'm not defending
the foundation of IP, just sayin
mircea_popescu: at
the USER end. if you want
to otp
the stuff you put
through cs/rsa, by all means.
mircea_popescu: ironically,
this level of assurance doesn't belong in
the p2p part of
the scheme, but exactly at
the other end.