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mircea_popescu: "a genesis" makes no sense ; vpatches with no antecendents are merely
that - vpatches with no antecedents.
the genesis is
the first item.
mircea_popescu: this is
the definition of
this
term. "the first item".
mircea_popescu: then you're not making any sense.
there can be exactly 1 genesis for any press, build, v etc.
mircea_popescu: mod6 in /8a5485a/ provided "8a5485a" is
the genesis' hash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because "everything
together" monolith ?
mod6: where should
this vpatch live?
mod6: let's say
that i have
this project called `t'. and I'd like
to make it readily availble and a genesis for
this specific
tool.
mod6: im fine with
this
too -- alf sees
this as a mistake. so just
thought I'd
take a minute
to address
the alternative. unless
there is something
that I haven't considered? asciilifeform? suggestions?
mircea_popescu: now, why not put its work product in a directory named for
the genesis employed ?
mircea_popescu: yeah but i'm
totally lost as
to what you're saying. looky : v works by starting with a genesis. correct ?
mod6: just
trying
to address alf's messages.
mod6: mircea_popescu: well, i
think it's a better, cleaner practice.
mod6: one inflates
the
trb universe into bitcoin,
the other into v. i guess it doesn't have
to be
that way.. v-genesis could be added later on down
the line as a leaf node. but
then it probably shouldn't be named "genesis" as
that seems
to break
the convention.
mircea_popescu: phf
the problem is
there's no good way
to extract
that alias string. maybe yours is bitcoin and mine is Bit-coin
mircea_popescu: mod6
the part where each press should end up collected in
the /genesis-hash/ dir is settled, i
thought ?
mod6: and in
this case, some of
these
things are somewhat related, and
that might be ok. but in
the future,
there might be
things
that are not so closely related. so might be
trying
to get out in front and make
this able
to handle multiple projects by seperating
them out.
phf: something
to keep in mind is
that vpatch paths already include
top level directory, like for example all
the bitcoin ones are bitcoin/... so pressing
them into an empty directory foo will result in foo/bitcoin/...
tree
mod6: so i kinda see
this in
two ways. either i place v/t/whatever into /v/ and we have many multiple roots, inwhich case when you pull from
the mirror you end up with
the following dirs: bitcoin,
t, v, whatever, ... or we can break
this up into multiple projects.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-08 20:09 ascii_butugychag: i will half-seriously suggest
that we refer
to
the ~set of patches, seals, keys~
that a particular vtron is aware of at his particular point in spacetime, as... his lightcone
mircea_popescu: there is no such
thing as "cannonical", but
there is a "total patch universe".
mircea_popescu: because, for any given genesis block,
the possible patches are universally available ; and
the only way
to obtain variant builds is
through pruning
the sigs.
mircea_popescu: logically, it can only be
the name of
the genesis block.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's go into detail here. so,
the observation was,
that as v is used in multiple projects, it makes no sense all
the files be dumped in
the same directory.
this is sound. what directory shall
they be dumped into ?
mircea_popescu: uh. i dun
think what you're
thinking about is being discussed.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 23:43 mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense
to even publish
the v-genesis.vpatch
that I currently have as it is no use
to anyone if
they can't grab a canonical version from
the mirror. All
they'd be able
to do is get it from
the mailing list, with
the seal, and drop it into
their local working directory as one would expect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re cleaving
thing : found it, credited it
to you in latest
trilema.
mircea_popescu: no ; but it stands
to reason. he's not coming in conflict with
that is he ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 23:43 mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense
to even publish
the v-genesis.vpatch
that I currently have as it is no use
to anyone if
they can't grab a canonical version from
the mirror. All
they'd be able
to do is get it from
the mailing list, with
the seal, and drop it into
their local working directory as one would expect.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 23:39 mod6: and since now we have;
trb,
t, v, ... and many others probably forthcoming, one should need
to specify what
they want
to pull down locally.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 00:48 mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform got a link
to where you made
the point in
the log
that most of what sane people do consists of cleaving
the practical from
the metaphysical or such ?
a111: Logged on 2016-01-19 21:55 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski:
try
to understand
the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now
they can go get stuffed.
phf: i rarely have an inclination
to bring rifle
to burn like events, and
the kind of events
that allow rifles are a bit
too beer&jesus for my
taste. or whatever jesus substitute
they do dawkins science.
ben_vulpes: unfortunately, because it's in canada (and
this is in no way different from
the burn)
there are no firearms
to discharge irresponsibly
phf: i
think
that's a pretty common
transition
ben_vulpes: my multiple-week-summer-vacation is now
to a house on
the sound side of vancouver island where we play music extremely loudly eat all sorts of interesting
things and motor about on each others motorthingers
phf: in any case portland
to nevada looks like a great drive, i
think i'm going
to do a purely recreational drive from colorado or wyoming
phf: i
take it with baby vulpes you're not coming
this year?
ben_vulpes: just looks like a decommissioned avis bus with a platform on
top during
the rainy parts of
the year
phf: well,
then i've no idea how you work on mvs unless you go
to oakland for summer pre event or something
phf: well, it helps
that you're within driving distance from site
ben_vulpes: i
think
that's why i like working on
the mvs
phf: but yeah i don't imagine any of
that stuff is reusable after a burn
phf: i've been building with
the same master carpenter so we usually start with a pile of wood, pile lag bolts and dodgy plans from various artist friends, so speed and malleability are prime considerations
ben_vulpes: not
that any bolt is reusable after
that kind of fire
tho
ben_vulpes: i learned on
the mutant vehicles before doing any pyreworks, so have a built-in preference for reusable steel stuffs
phf: but ultimately cuts my build
time.
there's only so many days you can spend building a wood structure in 50 degree direct sun desert hit
phf: well, since it sounds like we're both
talking from burn build experience, some people get impact drills and some don't. if i overtorque i just put a second one next
to it. it's not pretty, but it ensures
that bunch of drugged out hippies can do somersaults on
the
thing
mircea_popescu: what else do you bolt,
the bare beam for ornamentation ?
ben_vulpes: mnah, mortise and
tenon has
the beam itself shaped into
tongues and grooves
to sit into itself
ben_vulpes: i'm
trying
to dig up
the original source of
this design and completely failing
mircea_popescu: get
the girls all drugged up, make
them pronounce "assemblableable" evening's entertainment right
there!
ben_vulpes: the design was 3 bolts
through 3 beams at each intersection point
phf: pfft put a second bolt next
to first one :D
ben_vulpes: or perhaps some do, i never got
to party with
the 3lite sillicon valley crowd
phf: ben_vulpes: you cannot make guarantees about who will do what with your holes? how so? you mean for long
term construction?
ben_vulpes: one does not haul a
thing
to
the playa unfurled.
ben_vulpes: vibration drops your axial friction, and
to a degree your planar friction.
ben_vulpes: kinda like
the "don't break and
turn" at
the same
time mantra.
ben_vulpes: useful when you have a nut on
the far side.
the hammer helps
to overcome static friction on
the bolt/nut planes,
thereby letting you
twist
the bolt a little further.
ben_vulpes: it is perhaps forgivable if you Swear
to God
to not back
the lag bolt out and ever use
the hole for anything ever again, but
that is straight up dangerous because you cannot make guarantees about who will do what with your holes out of your sight.
BingoBoingo: Seriously
though who
the fuck decided
to use loctite
to secure a wear item
phf: basically
that rapid
torgue will help where you need
torgue (like with a stuck bit), but hinder where you need precision, like if
the end started running you'll scrape whatever
phf: another. it's definitely harder
to make a precise hole with an impact driver
too.
phf: BingoBoingo: i
think
there are cases where impact driver applies, like if your bit gets stuck in metal, and you want
to power
through it, but like others said, don't drill metal with general bits. i've used impact driver on large wood builds and it's a joy
to use,
the
torgue makes for a very rapid but controlled coupling. i
think i might've grabbed one
to do drilling in a pinch, but i wouldn't say i noticed much difference one way or
trinque: when you sit down
to
take a shit, but
there's no paper,
that's ISIS!