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ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506790 << ahaha and myself as well ☝︎
asciilifeform: as with the earlier ninjaimbecile
asciilifeform: lafonde's 'dindus', unsurprisingly, also do not count as 'unemployed'
mircea_popescu: to obtain correct unemployment figure in these circumstances, do (count of all tax returns paying more than 0.4 * 10.5 * 8 * 320 in tax) / (us population as per census).
asciilifeform: because their count as 'retiree'
mircea_popescu: nowadays "unemployed" = "number of people who jump through X Y and Z hoops more recently than 2 weeks ago and for not a longer total interval than 11 weeks , and also who aren't in any of these 58 excluded categories. such as "white"."
mircea_popescu: but as it is, entirely meaningless to put those on same map, they're not in any sense the same thing
mats: afaik bush and obama didn't go so far as to send thieves into rnc hq
asciilifeform: mats: the 'letter of the law' was interpreted as 'anally inspect every arse on planet' for decades now.
asciilifeform: if i were his handler, and read, as i would read, the log, i would have sacked him.
asciilifeform: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-13#623044 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: if he had been found in afghan, would have been shot on the cheap, but instead was used as feedstock for the quite important 'we caught a domestic вредитель !1111' ritual.
asciilifeform: the actual function of the black limos, ss jeeps, etc. is roughly same as roman lictors:
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: quadcopter that can lift so much as a frag, is rarity.
mircea_popescu: well, comparisons are comparisons. take today's internet, gendankenexperiment as mesh, measure.
mircea_popescu: it is not directly obvious, nor a foregone conclusion, if a reimplementation of today's telecom as mesh network would be less expensive in terms of used bw.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506013 << now this, for sure. it's actually identified as "strategic threat", imagine that. "people communicating outside of our stick fingers! TERRORISM!!!" ☝︎
asciilifeform: may as well ask why i would consider a boat that 'only' can last for two decades.
mircea_popescu: looky : every time you find this imaginary space where thermodynamics doesn't apply, it's not that you've found a space where thermodynamics doesn't apply as much as you've deluded yourself in some manner to ignore some obvious wrinkle.
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how many white women lived their days as the junior slave in indian fambly, after their husband was dispatched ?
mircea_popescu: mass has ~nothing to do with it though. YOU are the target, personally. for as long as you're the sort that wants to be a king without a crown, there's going to be a preditor chasing you around.
asciilifeform: but as 'fewer pirates than here on dry land'
asciilifeform: i never saw it as 'empty'
mircea_popescu: they misperceived the sea, much like you do, much like people who don't sail generally, as a "empty" space.
asciilifeform: i did wonder, as a boy, reading about such, what did these folks have instead of brains, that their answer to 'pirates sink 20%' was 'put Moar Silver on MEGA-BOAT'
mircea_popescu: but for the spanish, atlantic was "fly over zone", and as you say, they'd have loved to "separate it".
mircea_popescu: "british" doesn't exist here. albion was a failed state bought wholesale by the dutch who then used it as naval stage base.
asciilifeform: says ~as much on his tomb
mircea_popescu: that is one point ; the point im making however is that they weren't pirates in the sense you're not a penis. part of what they did, of fucking course, given the geography. but they were otherwise just as much a normal country as say albania.
asciilifeform: i still picture it as looking like 'cray-II'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i guesses as much.
asciilifeform misses one season - spring - which is about two weeks long here. defined as the season where one can go outdoors without either frost or mosquitoes
asciilifeform: but regardless, jurov has no case here, because if i want to plug in such a toaster today, i can easily do so without spending so much as one extra penny.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506175 << oh sure, i agree; but it may work for a limited case, as a quick thing; not as a proper stats platform or whatever, god forbid! ☝︎
jurov: i dunno, i had a life as java developer, ibm jvm was superior on linux and ran both eclipse and our project fine
Joshua-I: trinque: my powers are quite limited as you can see here
Joshua-I: trinque: I'd advise seeing it for yourself as it may be the only way to convince you
trinque: aha, so guy might as well do some work as long as he knows he is not making statements about how computing is to be done.
asciilifeform: phuctor in python ought to be seen in the same light as the bamboo stakes smeared in shit the vietnamese defended their country with
trinque: some things benefit from expediency and we as yet lack the republican computing platform
Framedragger: as a sworn lisper (well presumably) trinque, what do you make of haskell, out of curiosity?
Framedragger: presumably said website would have the raw data as a module or somesuch
asciilifeform: lengths of pipe, as per BingoBoingo, is one likely item, but this pointedly does not require a whole lathe
asciilifeform: so as to require frequent maintenance
pete_dushenski: "In Austin, Minnesota, another Kmart was turned into offices for Hormel, as well as a giant Spam Museum." << lol!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 12:16 thestringpuller: Also they are nailing the doors shut on Ether tomorrow until "clear winner": "As a Poloniex customer, you do not need to do anything. The migration will occur automatically, and your full balance of Ethereum will be transferred to the winning chain. Keep in mind that as we near the fork, we will be temporarily disabling deposits and withdrawals in preparation for the migration process. Trading will continue
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505363 << same as kraken et al. as per http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/15/suppose-we-have-an-exchange-that-due-to-resource-limitations-is-limited-to-5-decimal-places-for-orders-or-how-kraken-is-scamming-to-stay-solvent/ << fleecing chumps... nothing to see here tewowist (israeli accent) ☝︎
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i always picture them as being reused for gulags.
asciilifeform: as described in pete_dushenski's quote.
asciilifeform: as 'extra cost'
asciilifeform: 'ASUS are co-working with developers such as Merlin and DDWRT to make sure 3rd party firmwares power are the same as ASUS firmware and obey the regulations. ' << lel.
ben_vulpes: when the problem domains are simple, the solution proposed appears to work. in reality, as *tard mgmt demands more features, flexibility, reports, etc, the complexity of maintaining and extending under the frameworkreich becomes more and more costly, a thing not necessarily apparent to anyone who hasn't suffered the saga or who doesn't think in terms of complexity minimization from the get-go.
asciilifeform: trinque: i played the game, it had about the same relationship to rand as 'Der Giftpilz' has to judaism.
asciilifeform: there is 1 historic solution, as mircea_popescu like to point out, 'be chingis khan', 10,001 slaves, armies, castles.
asciilifeform: i will add that my interest in subj is not limited to the sea, but to all other environments which are hostile to 'normalpeoplewithfamilies' (as depicted in mircea_popescu's articles) yet have plenty of room to be 'lost' inside, and quite habitable with some amount of technological help
BingoBoingo: Nothing wrong with shipping container as concrete pouring mold, especially since you can tie rebar in there too. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505520 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so you'll drink piss just so as to not have to listen to the neighbours fuck ?
asciilifeform: if it's any consolation, likely none of us would qualify as submariners, most blokes alive today are too tall for ww2 sub
mircea_popescu: it pointedly does everything you openly admit you want ; and fails to do all the things you want but disawov, such as "it should be a grownup for me".
asciilifeform: incidentally i've learned that many folks in american east coast live in boats, but do it 100% in the marina. as a kind of enforced-whiteness trailer park.
asciilifeform: ah as museum piece.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 16:54 asciilifeform: this begs the question. yes, you need money. just as you need rocket to get to mars. but ~how much~ and what vector.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 15:54 phf: trinque: it's techno nomad, it's a thing. microship guy doesn't really try to solve same problem as orlol, it's all different people with personal interests and agendas that don't necessarily compose into a single stereotype
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505527 << depends how high up you scale. to me they do - as stated, people with large inheritance trying to pretend. a sort of niccolo da canal, say. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: you know, sultan ordered "an army as strong as the one which took constantinople" be assembled to deal with this guy once and for all. after not doing so well for a long time eventually cornered him against a mountain, where vlad told his men that neither capture nor death of famine beign fitting of warriors, how about we go into their camp and fucking rape them.
asciilifeform: al schwartz's proof that n-dimensional sphere has more and more of its volume closer and closer to the surface as N approaches infinity
asciilifeform pictures remembering this thread one day as the decks are awash and the end nears
mircea_popescu: the momeny you've defined your aim as "to exclude others", you have therefore and inseparably defined your goal as "i wish to be powerful lord"
asciilifeform: if the problem is posed as 'can i build a castle in which i can successfully stow a stolen princess every time', then yes, answer is 'be powerful'
asciilifeform: this begs the question. yes, you need money. just as you need rocket to get to mars. but ~how much~ and what vector. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i say this on the basis of actual experience, not as a matter of "i imagine boats sometime when i'm frustrated"
asciilifeform: so what would a sane approach to 'i wish to live with the company of other bipeds being wholly SELECTABLE', if not boat ? or mircea_popescu sees entire question as nuttery.
mircea_popescu: i'm not directing this at him. he is whatever, i dun care. but from YOUR perspective, he works practically as a scammer. you know how donner party ended up in the spot where they ate each other ?
asciilifeform: just as differential engine was not built by an arithmetizer-girl.
mircea_popescu: demographically, rather than as a work of fiction, the push west was a push towards the highly concentrated san francisco.
asciilifeform: i see the hypothetical machine as a pill against 'if yer poor you gotta live near other poor folks'
mircea_popescu: there was a technical counter there, as here ; it was abandoned upon your surrender. what was left were there as here "philosophical" let's say items, which lacking any proper substance can continue indefinitely.
asciilifeform: as a boy i very much wanted to.
mircea_popescu: the nuke sub is exactly an item with no utility or human interest, built under the PRETEXT of a "nuclear war", which is another fiction trope with not much real anchorage (as discussed in some trilema article).
mircea_popescu: fiction may contain the emotions of the author, as a point for his compatriots to fixate on and navigate what otherwise is endless, meaningless, the sea of representation.
mircea_popescu: hence the obvious connection to the adventures of captain nemo, as retold by verne.
asciilifeform: as i picture it, 'orlov's boat' is simply a lower-tech variation of the theme of 'mars dome'
mircea_popescu: there's fundamental breakage underlying this being "conceptualized" as a problem in the first place.
asciilifeform: incidentally i see 'quidnon' as a terrible design, and have no expectation that i will ever set foot in one.
asciilifeform: he sees it as a 'how can i make green a prime number' or the like.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu doesn't even conceptualize the problem i'd like solved as being a problem.
mircea_popescu: only land lubber could conceivably have this notion of the sea, as a sort of commodified milk in carton in fridge.
mircea_popescu: you flatter yourself as to your choices on the sea.
asciilifeform: 'prisoner held incommunicado' is not same as 'i choose when i want to people and when not to'
phf: i think ascii would benefit best from building Nautilus. spacious, has lab, has pet, mostly as away from humans as possible, can defend itself from government and pirates. an entirely imaginary device
asciilifeform: just as 'can man live on mars' is.
mircea_popescu: no matter how sad you are, hair's not gonna jump off the scissors and back on your head ; no matter how emo you are, ocean still won't suddenly become a space allocator working as you want it to.
asciilifeform: eh you get a hull for so long as you can score a few kg of sawdust every month.
asciilifeform: may as well bring up crashed pilots building rafts, optimizing for cost..
asciilifeform: so long as it were a container AT SEA and not in a bum park
phf: trinque: it's techno nomad, it's a thing. microship guy doesn't really try to solve same problem as orlol, it's all different people with personal interests and agendas that don't necessarily compose into a single stereotype ☟︎
asciilifeform: about as practical, for a non-mircea_popescu, as a space station, to own.
mircea_popescu: phf i have nfi what any of the terms mean as used, for the record. we're in plebeconfusionland.
mircea_popescu: to quote : "Boat plumbing systems are virtually never designed with ease of maintenance in mind; mostly they are an afterthought, not so much engineered as crammed together in any space that’s available. A very common problem is that working on them requires the use of tools—screwdrivers, channel locks, sockets with ratchets—but there is no room to wield these tools in the normal manner, and just about every operation r
asciilifeform: has a number of unusual design features for self-sufficiency (flotation arch for uncapsizing, sub-style water tanks for emergency buoyancy, as described in linked piece, etc)