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Framedragger: asciilifeform: not necessarily from godel! some kind of diagonalization may be reconstructed, i'm sure/heard. but being able
to handle some classes or problems is interesting in itself.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i can't stand his conventional bullshit. he dared criticise (young) caraqiale for "poor morals" in plays ?
the schmuck borrowed on his income months in advance
to dress up and bullshit like
that. he has a massive vein of "never got over mom"
that i loathe in writers.
mircea_popescu: apparently
this was known by 2oyear olds in
the 1800s. nuts.
mircea_popescu: you know, by
the way, re my recent failed attempt
to interact with
the master, i found last week a notation from romania's genius poet EXPLAINIG
THE SAME
THING ?
Framedragger: (what's nice with
these paraconsistent systems is
that
they may not crumble down when encountering some or other kind of logical paradox.) </weird-rant>
diana_coman: I don't quite follow your analogy
there I
think
mircea_popescu: but
then again
that's
the sort of why an' wherefore
the kids
think i'm an asshole.
mircea_popescu: from my brief stint in publishing, i wouldn't swear
the expert editor is less a contributor in
the average book
than
the average author.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman
this is a dubious assertion, in
the same vein we could say "ian murdock did
the work, rest did gui" or w/e.
Framedragger: ^ maybe not even related
that much, just intersting
mircea_popescu: so really, was
team. author, editor, 2 people at least.
Framedragger: values, but
the imaginary
terms get eventually nulled before
the final solution.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman irl it worked as,
to quote famous wilde
tidbit, "i leave it
to you
to
to fix
the here's and
there's".
Framedragger: (in paraconsistent systems,
they
try
to "contain" cases when `p && ~p`. normally by principle of explosion you can prove anything (`1. p. 2. p || q [from 1, disjunctive addition.] 3. ~p [given.] 4. q [from 2. and 3.]`).
these systems remove one or another inference rule (e.g.
that p || q may follow from p, or double negation, or something else), or *suspend* it, in
the fashion
that some equations may have complex numbers as intermediary
diana_coman: add
to
that
the fact
that
the equivalent would be not exactly
trying
to maintain
the work, but rather
trying
to maintain some layers of slime built on
top of
the work
diana_coman: in same vein, a
team is not able
to maintain
the body of work of respected past intellectual, sure
mircea_popescu: shinohai bet you he's gonna swallow
the "nigger"
thing without looking.
diana_coman: rence
there is
that "team of individuals" is pointedly not
the original author
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> nothing actionable or useful
that i can discern. just
the simple observation
that a) code
the size of
the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by
teams or individuals, while
the writings were maintainable by
the author solo ; b)
the correct solution
to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes. <- fwiw
the diffe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as an ideal output, i would like a debian distro
that says "you can't possibly mean
to make
these keys out of 32k sets ?!"
Framedragger: alsoalso, graham priest's paraconsistent logic is an interesting
thing.
mircea_popescu: (and in
this sense, i view eg
the debian key disaster
thing as collapse, exactly like
the
tay bridge failure say)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 13:20 asciilifeform:
the 'fuzzy logic'
thing was in style in '80s for a brief spell
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487950 << for a brief spell only? i
think
there now may exist some inference systems which work on floating point / probabilistic
truth-values? weasel words, would need
to check, but wouldn't have
thought it
to have been a "brief spell" only?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: so it seems
to me
that perhaps we could say "obviously"
the more strictly defined a language gets,
the more catastrophic
the necessary collapse of its large scale systems.
mircea_popescu: nothing actionable or useful
that i can discern. just
the simple observation
that a) code
the size of
the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by
teams or individuals, while
the writings were maintainable by
the author solo ; b)
the correct solution
to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes.
mircea_popescu: they sure as fuck haven't before
the greeks or w/e,
that's not millions opf years.
mircea_popescu: in any case
the historical argument is very dubious. people have nopt really been
thinking ~in language~ before say kant.
mircea_popescu: but
then...
there's no such
thing as "speech", and children of random parents can learn random unrelated language.
mircea_popescu: you could pursue your line, sure, "look, being genetically female is complex, which is why maledom is delta-encoded on one chromosome. speech is
the same."
mircea_popescu: but i meant in
the general, as a
theoretical possibility. how
the fuck...
mircea_popescu: but WHY is it possible
to have a huffman
table for human
text in meat ?
mircea_popescu: go
the other way : why does it have
to be a mechanism ? god knows people'v proven
time and again
they're perfectly happy with black boxen
that do something vaguely related
to what
they expected 80% or so of
the
time.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 12:27 asciilifeform: proggy does not compress. head does not have
the handy lossy compressor, as for human
text.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, i'm studiously not setting foot on
the ground you suggest - because you'd vaporize my entire
thing in five seconds. so let's sit over here where it's safe.)
mircea_popescu: but
the basis here is indisputable : if
trilema were equally sized code, i'd be dead
trying
to maintain it.
mircea_popescu: basically, instead of
trying
to achieve
the moon-height skyscraper by investing in material rigidity, invest instead in a sort of... fault
tolerance i guess you'd call it.
mircea_popescu: let
three lines of A code be ambiguously interpretable
to mean 5 different
things, so
that a million lines of A code become a very clearly useful, controllable item.
mircea_popescu: suppose
the correct solution
to
the "large systems" problem isn't exactly
to use "strong
typed" languages and in general, more minutely define
the elements involved. suppose
the solution in fact is
to give up on
the (nonsensical, in
theory, and unfound in nature) notion of "unambiguous notation".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me run by you a crazy idea
that came
to me in my dazed state we'll approximate by "sleep"
mircea_popescu: it will pay ransoms even as it can't pay
to import grain
mircea_popescu: it will continue
to pay. perfect ransom victim : cheaper
to pay
than not
to pay.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his NAME is. he himself, no. but just like us soldier isn't worth
the crap he
took
that morning, but us soldier dog
tag is worth ~1mn or so on
the ransom market...
diana_coman: I was just stating
that I actually applied my definition, it's not just some random
thing I came up with now
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> damn i mean, diana_coman how many students can you fail. <- myeah, I know;
thing is also:
they shouldn't have gotten
that high
to fail basically, not
that many
mircea_popescu: anyway,
talk about "botnet market" bla bla : imagine if guy had where
to use
this, recoup closer
to
the 4fig.
thestringpuller: wow. maybe
theymos has something with his r/bitcoin moderation: "Please, never ever
turns Bitcoin into a democracy sh**
thing. Be strong."
mircea_popescu: re
the submissions : we couldn't have had lots of submissions without a rsa key in it, seeing how
this is ssh set neh ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm wrong all
the fucking
time, at least as far as i can see. i guess not usually on
thosethings people'd much rather i were wrong on
mircea_popescu: Framedragger was not here for
the famous xor
thread i guess.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 11:13 mircea_popescu: and b) a RICO-worthy criminal conspiracy, replete with fraud etc,
to marginalize, intimidate and if need be assassinate "opponents" as defined by a group of nuts
mircea_popescu: i wanted
to fail
the whole philosophy 101 class. mihu didn't
think it such a good idea. short
teaching career for me,
thankfully.
Framedragger: now i know
that some
things should be
taken in jest, metaphorically, generically, etc. still, i say "lol".
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 12:32 hanbot: maybe we're
talking of very different people, or whatever. but i've never seen or heard of anyone more effervescently challenging of other's illusions
than mp.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487858 <<
this i agree with! however, be it as it may i've never seen mp graciously accept
to being wrong on some point. now,
that *may* be because mp isn't wrong a whole lotta
times, i contend, yes; but it's still hilarious
to me (in a stimulating kind of way, fwiw). e.g.
the chinese konspiraci
thing, it was posted on qntra by mircea_popescu, and
then later mircea_popescu says
the
theory is legit becau
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 10:30 mircea_popescu: speaking of
that, asciilifeform any idea how it's possible
that Submissions: 3305302 Known Moduli: 2708380 Moduli Waiting for
Test: 3677 ? shouldn't
these add up ?
☟︎