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a111: Logged on 2016-06-24 02:14 BingoBoingo: Also it turns out hole hawg actually is carried by Big Box store
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489087 << the actual one ?! i was in a 'home despot' not long ago, they had a plasticy piece of rubbish with that brand ☝︎
phf: aww, poop. i thought the guy was pretty cool from his nes emulator. usually the emulator types like to bit twiddle
phf: have you seen this guy too http://josephoswald.nfshost.com/comfy/summary.html ?
asciilifeform: phf: i actually printed out the src and read in hammock, and barfed: it is full of regexp
a111: Logged on 2016-06-24 02:05 phf: i'm sure you've seen cl-6502, and i think there's a compiler from the same guy (or perhaps cl-6502 has a compiler too i don't quite remember)
phf: we're not there yet, but damn close
mircea_popescu: phf i thought it was gonna be slotin and his beryllium hemisphere
mircea_popescu: the problem being more that, of the ~10% miners that voted, the split is about 4:1 in favour. of the rest... well... something more like the reverse. ☟︎
phf: future tmsr infra http://66.media.tumblr.com/d69d8e552719e6bba89afe664bf486f7/tumblr_o7nrtnTazH1r49q4co1_500.jpg ☟︎
BingoBoingo: See, if you spam blocks all the time who needs to put spam in the blocks!
BingoBoingo: Also it turns out hole hawg actually is carried by Big Box store ☟︎
BingoBoingo: If anyone wants a hole hawg now's the time while TTI is still selling them
BingoBoingo: Gotta get ready for post-China selling shit to all comers
mircea_popescu: if one weren't there one could scarcely believe.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ironically, this was great savings initiative in soviet lands 1970s
mircea_popescu: that sorta thing
mircea_popescu: full spectrum dominance, you know ? "first we fuck up your scamcoin, on ops basis, then you spend all you got to try and prop it somewhere around 70% of what it was, then you try to attack bitcoin on fin basis, we rape you, then..."
mircea_popescu: and from the other perspective, you can have this ensemble in a baloon and solar powered. etc.
phf: i'm sure you've seen cl-6502, and i think there's a compiler from the same guy (or perhaps cl-6502 has a compiler too i don't quite remember) ☟︎
phf: are we moving tmsr infra to 6502?
asciilifeform: and pieces of shit, e.g., https://wiki.openwrt.org/_media/media/tplink/tl-mr3020/tl-mr3020_top-pcb-gpio-pins.jpg?w=400&tok=e00072 << as i once experimented with for trbification << have dram.
asciilifeform: sram typically gets on die.
mircea_popescu: they still use the chip, however the hot glue is poured atop ya know.
mircea_popescu: i'd expect they cut corners, what's the budget for "smartening" a juicer, 15 bux ?
asciilifeform: no sram in there.
asciilifeform: nope, not them
mircea_popescu: well, and all the iot crapolade
asciilifeform suspects that 99% of it is used with fpga
asciilifeform: (really from the market for standalone sram chips drying up, i suspect)
asciilifeform: i was quite astonished to learn that sram costs only a couple times less today than in early '90s
mircea_popescu: you know, old tech progressed lots since the 70s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 10 is typical
asciilifeform: only eats half the address space, lel.
asciilifeform: a 32kb times table!
asciilifeform: and now for the fastest 8bx8b mul of all:
asciilifeform: that sit there happily drawing a femtoamp each
mircea_popescu: s is right next to d!
asciilifeform: sram is where you have the actual bistable circuits
asciilifeform: the gnarly pile of shit that we use today
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is prolly thinking of dram
asciilifeform: this is included in the cycle count
mircea_popescu: the ram has no latency in all this ?
asciilifeform: cycles == time
asciilifeform: remove the rts and inline the procedure to shave cost of the return (which is titanic)
mircea_popescu: i mean in terms of time per se not just cycles.
mircea_popescu: still, how the fuck your lookup is going to be less than 8 cycles, you need 2 to call and 2 to return
mircea_popescu: shifts are fast tho
asciilifeform: can make a table.
asciilifeform: you don't have to <<4 anything either
mircea_popescu: there's no need to look up 3 * 4 and 4 * 3 aha
asciilifeform: half of that.
mircea_popescu: actually... your table needn't be as large as 256.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-24 01:30 asciilifeform: 'Two months later, on October 1st, as an adjunct to Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty, Robert Strange McNamara started inducting into the military men who previously would not have qualified in a million years. He called it Project 100,000 ...'
asciilifeform: 6502 : ~3.5k transistorz.
asciilifeform: at one point it was blokes rolling black electrical tape onto giant celluloid. hence expression 'tapeout', still used today
asciilifeform: like most people then.
mircea_popescu: apparently mos tech actually did the "design" oilpen on paper
mircea_popescu: i seriously think if one proposed 20mhz people'd have been "you'll asphyxiate going that fast"
asciilifeform: i was astonished as well, last year, to learn that it never died
mircea_popescu: actually uses exactly the 8080 bus huh
asciilifeform: the period ver went to 2Mhz
mircea_popescu: it's a mhz cpu tho, slow as fuck
mircea_popescu: so you seriously talk to the bus each time ?
mircea_popescu: can this live in l1 ?
mircea_popescu: pretty big table
asciilifeform: it's a table lookup !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you do 4 mults which are iirc 32 cycles each + 3 shifts and 4 additions, for a grand total of ~200
asciilifeform: 'Two months later, on October 1st, as an adjunct to Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty, Robert Strange McNamara started inducting into the military men who previously would not have qualified in a million years. He called it Project 100,000 ...' ☟︎
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "open that can!" "Smash that wall!" etc. << heheh
asciilifeform: any other 8bit sinners here can tell me wtf i'm missing? mircea_popescu ? gernika ?
asciilifeform: anyway i'm lazy, ... but it still looks faster than the cited 151 cycle worst-case on e2
asciilifeform: ^ yes this is how to pronounce left-shift per asciilifeform
asciilifeform: we can do the high nibble of the low byte as one add-with-carry followed by a collective shlykk
asciilifeform: so we have mult table lookups (we made a 16x16, or 256bt mult table for nibblez)
asciilifeform: we never do the last term's shling because we know that it is 2nd byte of result.
mircea_popescu: my baseless guess would be that yes.,
asciilifeform: i was sitting for last 20min working out whether this is actually faster than treating the nibbles as digits and table-ating the resulting 'bignum mult' or not
mircea_popescu: and ALSO exactly homomorphic to why i said division doesn't belong in there.
mircea_popescu: complete with all the sclerotic tissue of say hollywood, reproduced at scale.
asciilifeform: in other not at all nyooz, http://everything2.com/title/Fast+6502+multiplication << witness the non-pedi-wikia.
mircea_popescu: there's an immense pile of these, they all sound the same, it's a whole subculture.
mircea_popescu: this is actually romanian. gypsy wanna-be sampled a video of orchestra, put his track on top
asciilifeform: sounds extremely turkish
asciilifeform: wats this
mircea_popescu: people in my (and i guess also your) part of the world did a lot of traveling around europe while staying home
Framedragger off to bed, looking forward to breakfast in unclear political territory (well when was it ever clear)
mircea_popescu: well, exactly like pili, except the weak-ass l is replaced by the zdrongezt consonant known to man.
mircea_popescu: shinohai anyway, if you're into twitter trolling, can certainly forward http://trilema.com/2016/pizdi/ to #niunamenos
Framedragger: that's your shit right there. and some ads. on the shit
mircea_popescu: anyway, facebook apparently also does this "we'll archive by default ANYTHING linked from our pages and serve it from our own servers. this way we don't leak ips etc, and so nobody will ever figure out just how few users we have."
mircea_popescu: i've but a vague memory, i keep about as close tabs on this shitshow as i do on github.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger afair it had a deal back in 2010ish ? with twitter too ; then twitter backed out, was a bit of a scandal, then i gues fb backed out quietly.
Framedragger: sometimes i think that's the _whole_ point
asciilifeform: half the point of walled aols is to corral the chumpers into custom search crapolade
Framedragger: orly, but it used to be able to, no? that's what every shitsite wants, for search engines to index, but not to show same stuff to unregistered visitors (linkedin does that with google vs. users i think..)
mircea_popescu: they got a problem don't they ? missing out on most of the shannonized / markov chained "content" production these days
Framedragger: my imagination is dry in regards to what interesting things uk could do. maybe uk is simply that glib and uninspiring
Framedragger: yeah i wonder what imperial rule would do there huh
asciilifeform: libya-->labia and then civil war splits into minora and majora...