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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform>
there are other, similar ambiguities - sigs end in whatever odd number, say << Original effort at sig enforcement was "even-s" around prb 0.9 deliberations before "low-s" was chosen
mircea_popescu: (once someone does it, whether
they mine a block or not is irrelevant,
tx now in mempool)
mircea_popescu: you can still send it. just, likely,
they'll malleate it pre-mining it.
mircea_popescu: eh,
there's no such "at
the instigation" bla bla. we fixed something
that had
to be fixed, and we fixed it correctly. big whoop.
mircea_popescu: well you could see it
then,
too, just i guess meanwhile forgot ? anyway,
there's a reason we did what we did and still as good now as
then.
mircea_popescu: this is because bitcoin was made by
the ducks, sure, but still is what it is.
mircea_popescu: the fact is,
the function sign(message) did not yield a single valid output. but
two.
mircea_popescu: i get it
that "there not being ambiguity in design" would be better. nevertheless, what would be better is not related
to what is.
mircea_popescu: besides
the point. when
there's ambiguity in design,
this is
to be exposed
to user.
mircea_popescu: this is not how it works, "emboldening" whatever. moreover,
the implemented solution was correct : when
there's ambigous behaviour IN
THE PROTOCOL,
this has
to be exposed
TO
THE USER. it has been.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mod6: nope. i said at
the
time
that it was a Bad Idea, and for same reason - emboldened
the ratfuckers << eh, not really how
this works.
mod6: this is not how
that conversation went.
mod6: because initially, i wanted
to simply just do low-S
mod6: im confused about why you're saying
this now, as opposed
to saying "we should be able
to specify either!"
mod6: ok. so is
this a 20/20
type of reflection here?
mod6: so. if i have a coin, i want
to ensure
that it gets sent.
mod6: i agree
that about
the legitimancy being
the same across high/low -- but
the rest of
the network diddles.
mod6: mno. i disagree. at
the
time, Mr. P. was having
trouble sending
transactions. We want people
to have
the control
to ensure
their
transaction is relayed, undiddled.
mod6: and we're still at a point where it's a leaf, so if it is decided
that we ditch
that as a "blessed" utility or necessary change,
then we ditch and we don't have
to do anything else.
mod6: and when i say 'we
talked about
this', I mean
the high-S/low-S
thing. ultimately we decided
to give
the operator
the utility
to specify which
to use / or none, if
they want
their
thing
to be diddled.
mod6: So, we
talked about
this. At length.
mod6: ref: (14:57) <+mod6> if we needed
to add code everytime
these gnomes comeup with a new crapolade,
that's all we'd ever be doing.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. germany is looking at something like 3bn euro more per year (20% over it's current ~15bn)
to pay ; and of course moldovia,
the battered ruins of ukraine, albania and all sorts of other dry leeches all want in
hanbot: so
then what's left, remainia?
mircea_popescu: lol. after brexit,
time for grexit, departugal, italeave, czechout, finish, oustria, latervia and finally byegium
mircea_popescu: (btw, obama actually went
to london
to
try and prevent
things. he... failed. but by now obama failing at whatever he's
trying is pretty much us policy, so not particularly worht
the mention)
mircea_popescu: sit
the fuck down, nobody's shocked and moreover nobody cares about
the "mainstream" / powers
that wanna-be blabla.
mircea_popescu: all
these "jounalist" derps ranting on about how "uk shocks
the world" and "nobody could have predicted" bla bla on
the basis
that
their fucking predictions had been deliberate lies
to
try and influence
the unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: gah, wait for
the
thing
to show up, i can't follow like
this
mircea_popescu: the "all business" and entirely "scientific" world
turns out
to be mostly
the favourite lie of
the sort of people who don't wish
their stupid ideology discussed.
mod6: this
the line you were looking for? (14:55) <+thestringpuller>
TMSR rule of
thumb: "Never accept non standard
transactions" ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell pete_dushenski pingback mystery solved : your blog is at 23.229.239.2, but you keep sending pingbacks from 50.62.176.244.
Trilema responds with a "please send pingbacks from
the blog's own IP" as discussed in
http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ which you're supposed
to see and know why it is your pingbacks don't make it.
trinque: but I will at some point either change
that or abandon sql entirely for a CLOS db
trinque: just easier
to look at, and it's not a big
table
thestringpuller: i guess
the nicks act as a foreign key cause under unique constraint and one per person...
trinque: helpful helpers in python were starting
transactions for me even
though
the default for sqlite is autocommit
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> nevertheless, we're not making
the mistake of introducing coin
taint, under any name. <<
totally agree.
mircea_popescu: yeah, except
the next stop is for shitsoup
to put out more coins
than it got in.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: From what I understand Segwit
to a normal 1xxx adress requires a signature in
the blockchain so when segwit stops being miner enforced
the recieved
transaction would still be, even
though it came from freemoneyshitsoup.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, we're not making
the mistake of introducing coin
taint, under any name.
mircea_popescu: mod6
the main concern is
that
their bullshit will "accidentally" start fabricating coins.
thestringpuller: i just don't want
them
to add something in a "fork"
that allows
TMSR
to get scammed.
mod6: if we needed
to add code everytime
these gnomes comeup with a new crapolade,
that's all we'd ever be doing.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: but
this said, yes it is deeply irresponsible for anyone
to use prb clients.
this doesn't just mean 13, or 12, or 10. ANY of
them.
thestringpuller: gotcha.
thanks for clarity. mod6 ^^^ nvm question has been answered.
mircea_popescu: which is what it aims
to be, a sort of "let's dao bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: moreover,
there ISNT, in general, and for very good reasons, a way
to verify segwit crapolade.
thestringpuller: gotcha. just never have anyone spend
to your from a fake address.
mircea_popescu: trb has no notion of "coin history". nor should it. because
taint is not a
thing.