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asciilifeform: it is ~impossible to ~actually understand~ it.
mircea_popescu: what happens when you put "anyone" in your soup is you get a soup only "anyone" would ever eat, after the fashion he eats it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the error of os is that it predicates upon "anyone".
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller in this sense the first inch of any stake is pleasurable.
thestringpuller: the value of open source is actually negative << it didn't start off that way... the early 90's were an okay time...
asciilifeform: i still say that source availability is a red herring here ☟︎
mircea_popescu: basically they've poured 100k a head in "college education" so that thousands of them together can replicate the brain of an amphibian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously. because you know, "ethereum hole" is no longer google-trending. so therefore they must have.
mircea_popescu: well, this isn't going to go anywhere, open source is a method to bolt shut doors of stables after horses left.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't forget the inevitable next stage, where they develop the delusion of having found ~all~ of the possible ones
mircea_popescu: not one bothering to mention that hey, i got inspired by mp, and look, the prediction he made was in fact correct : there WERE more holes. which circumstance clears any possible objection to the whole process being jealousy driven.
thestringpuller: Ironically, it'll be some Mt.Gox scandal arising from that when you find out one of the Slock.it developers was behind the heist.
mircea_popescu: NOBODY fucking read it. not even the two idiots writing it. then AFTER i publish on trilema, suddenly it's sexy, they get jealous of all the exposure and find various other holes.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. the whole "open source/free software" delusion has gone long enough ; time to take it behind the bikeshed and put a bullet in its brain. leaving aside the entirely misguided communist nonsense of stallman, which is already discussed int he logs, look at what open source did for ethereum, since he mentioned it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "copy/paste me but don't ever read me!" << *sigh* In fact this just happened today. Developer tells me, "Hey copy this snipped into the codebase from github". I respond with, "Have you read the code?" They tell me, "Nope. But it works!" So guess who is stuck reading the code...
mircea_popescu: reydev he did in fact slap it together himself ; more generally "open source" in the general, github-y, "copy/paste me but don't ever read me!" sense is not much of a republican value. which isn't to say that you can't get at the code, but it is to say you can't expect to just find it online. if you got questions, ask teh lord in question.
thestringpuller: well you technically don't have to trust trinque. for the people you've rated, you can just ask them directly when you do gettrust about the rating in question. so if trinque did manipulate the ratings in someway, people using the web of trust correctly would eventually uncover "the errors"
reydev: im kind of interested in the implementation details, is it something he slapped together himself or is it an open source thing by any chance
mircea_popescu: aaand in other "vigourous copulation with children may result in ophisthotonus through splanchnic nerve cascade" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6d2ca3ecd0f30aa7358d844c43ab12a5/tumblr_nj1rlaCrb91tv93bgo1_500.gif
reydev: to trust the web
reydev: ok, so one has to trust trinque in a sense
thestringpuller: reydev: trinque does
reydev: so, where are the web of trust ratings stored by the way... as in, who controls the database
shinohai: wsj has weak paywall. Google headline, then click result for paywall free experience.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, you want me to gpgram you now or after?
asciilifeform: shinohai: nope and it dun want to display here
mircea_popescu: "the $(cause du jour) needs $(aspie 14% group sponsoring the article)"
shinohai: Did you read these lulz asciilifeform ? http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-terrorism-fight-needs-silicon-valley-1467239710
reydev: does this mean the stuff carried over from assets
mircea_popescu: deedbot oversees the wot.
reydev: oh yeah, was a new WoT formed for this channel?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the basic usgology of this, https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/churches-religious-organizations/churches-defined
reydev: anyhow, ive nothing useful to add for now, ill do some catching up in the logs etc...
reydev: seems like a missing piece to the puzzle tho...
mircea_popescu: reydev not unless it looks like the mage girls in your favourite mmorpg.
mircea_popescu: shinohai kinda why i put this in the open, so people can come up with a good name maybe. ☟︎
reydev: by the way is the republic planning to ever have a standing army ^_^
mircea_popescu: aha. besides, he's just the man to do it.
shinohai: Church of Subgenius is registered church, why not trilema?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's see about that. either it's not the case, in which case we now have a us church, or it is the case, in which case we have yet another harpoon in the whale's back.
reydev: kudos if one of you guys was really behind the ether thing
mircea_popescu: something like that.
reydev: hey this seems to be kind of the continuation of the #bitcoin-assets chan right?
asciilifeform: my observation was that mircea_popescu can indeed put 'pope' on his business card, right now!1111 - but to be ~untaxed~ pope in usgschwitz, you gotta be in favour with the current clitler
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which true
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if that's true, we're exactly the gang for it. match made in heaven.
asciilifeform: (^ folks who 'just want' are quite vulnerable to 'helpers' who will 'help us to do what we just want..' in return for 'small favour')
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 10:40 jurov: Why are you asking us about software?” is the line that Mr. Ng said he often hears from miners.
shinohai: trinque must have moved deedbot to new home, seems a bit more responsive of late.
deedbot: shinohai rated trinque 2 at 2016/05/16 07:03:40 << http://wiki.deedbot.org/
shinohai: $rated trinque
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 06:42 trinque: $reputation trinque
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493152 << neato. do we have 'rated' command, so the thing can be in the l0gz ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 12:03 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493057 << hopefully not one of those expensive pets.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493176 << very cheap pet. but i sometimes get it pet treat ☝︎
asciilifeform: as evidence - obummer recently had the tax-exemption of a number of quite standard christian churches revoked, on account of their opposition to obummerism. beyond a little bit of bad press, nothing happened.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 12:51 mircea_popescu: i want you to research the legal status of a registered church in the us, as well as the practicalities of registering one. this is a serious project, and i expect 100s of hours spent reading up on it. gpgram me about it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493182 << this ~just might~ be one of those 'bmore real estate' animals, where, e.g., scientology gets away with it and laughs all the way to the bank, but 'peyote church' - doesn't ☝︎
shinohai: In other news, r/btc is celebrating this morning imagining that angry miners will soon adopt Classic and usher in the fork. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Additionally, information is not available to the general public who may not be aware that they are on such a list, but whose bank accounts and business transactions may be cancelled without warning or recourse. Banks are not required by law to provide consumers with a reason for account closures, and World-Check has a binding secrecy clause for users of the service.'
thestringpuller: bitfunder is still a thing?
shinohai: For the purpose of getting a designated shitting street named after Preeeeeet.
mircea_popescu: shinohai which purpose is this ?
shinohai: I am seriously researching buying some cheap field in India for this purpose
shinohai: lol yeah I actually was going to put it up on bitfunder but naturally got rejected.
BingoBoingo: lol is that an actual address you have key 4?
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo send donations for the designated shitting street to 1preetzHWEUfmGuW5ast5hMTJNYU1bmGo
mircea_popescu: i want you to research the legal status of a registered church in the us, as well as the practicalities of registering one. this is a serious project, and i expect 100s of hours spent reading up on it. gpgram me about it. ☟︎
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/YKg Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493057 << hopefully not one of those expensive pets. ☝︎☟︎
jurov: Why are you asking us about software?” is the line that Mr. Ng said he often hears from miners. ☟︎
jurov: Mr. Wu and the other mining pool operators in China have often seemed somewhat surprised, and even unhappy, that their investments have given them decision-making power within the Bitcoin network. “Miners are the hardware guys.
ben_vulpes: ty trinque will diddle
trinque: yeh that came from nginx
trinque: then perhaps also whatever thinger is running your proggy
trinque: ben_vulpes: 413 Request Entity Too Large
trinque: k lemme copy teh data down to dev box
ben_vulpes: intrigued to see what the response looks like.
trinque: both use the same "throw this here paste at mr ben_vulpes" function
trinque: $reputation trinque ☟︎
trinque: ben_vulpes: ey is there a max size of a paste?
trinque: ah derp it's the paste uploader barfing.
trinque: it's bitching about that. after which I will have a $wot command that pastes the whole thing
trinque: phf: how do I get prin1 (or something more sensible) to barf an sexp with a euro symbol in it?
trinque: $reputation trinque
trinque: $ratings trinque
trinque: two new commands that dump sexp data:
phf: so if anyone wants to swoop in and implement it
phf: and THEN i'm going to do wot
phf: and then i want to make search case-insensitive, which turned out to be iffy with boyermoore
phf: i have a backlog of making bot pull from backup logger in case of disconnect, which is the last bit before auto-reconnecting-bot
trinque: lol, I didn't say this was pretty sausage
phf: i don't want to know! it's much nicer when the whole thing's in memory :>
trinque: for gettrust I just join the same table twice
phf: you kind of need to write a graph walker, and since you're doing it in sql, i don't even know how to make it not suck
trinque: yeah that's what I'm going to do instead
trinque: I put the blame on us ending up with the idiotic web, REST APIs, and etc squarely on IRC having been designed by monkeys
trinque: would take minutes for some of us
trinque: I was going to add commands to dump inward and outward reputation for a given nick, but neh
phf: i'll spoil it for you, ""Contrary to what we expected, masking gender had no effect on interview performance"