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asciilifeform: why not send to fuck monkey in the zoo, also
mircea_popescu: this is why slavery doesn't work as an educational ploy without the whip.
mircea_popescu: "bitch, get your ass to baltimore and don't come back until you've picked up a local."
mircea_popescu: you know what the next step is, right ?
asciilifeform: hey i enjoyed experimental test for a change
mircea_popescu: perhaps it's useful, though i have no idea how it would be.
mircea_popescu: instead, i'm merely exploring the known, as found in this here endless library.
mircea_popescu: well, i'm nor one to ineptly suggest stuff. "Hey, you building house ? look into geodesic dome / $random crap!" because that's what i last read in Nature and i fancy myself a cultivated fellow.
asciilifeform: at any rate, caterpillars are not find cuisine but that's what i'm gonna eat on this here island.
mircea_popescu: the ones like the jew, lived in house invested by uncle, see above re cairo.
mircea_popescu: the ones like you, without uncle, fought hyena for cave. about as likely to "construct" cave as hyena.
mircea_popescu: no fucking ancestors built house for themselves.
asciilifeform: y'know, the thing ~100% of our ancestors managed to do.
asciilifeform: testing hypothesis 'it is possible to build box to keep the rain out, with own hands and minimal expenditure'
mircea_popescu: there are things upon which modesty is impossible.
mircea_popescu: seems to be the dream here - if i carve the right words into immutable functional space, mega meat army pops.
mircea_popescu: welllll then...
asciilifeform: anyway, asciilifeform is not a jew in the sense contemplated in the quote. this requires 'heritage' to stand on the shoulders off - uncles who will invest in your schemes, etc. -- but instead is more of crashed flyer.
mircea_popescu: it didn't luck out to be picked by the "identity politics" circus, so it's not an insult at all! fancy its luck.
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mircea_popescu: well in that case.
mircea_popescu: ow food or to gaze at a limitless land and call it your own, no, no. You just go on and on and on repeating this process over the centuries over and over and suddenly you make a grand discovery. You have a mercantile heritage! You are a merchant. You are known as a usurer, a man with secret resources, a witch, a pawnbroker, a sheenie, a makie and a kike! "
mircea_popescu: cloth, cut it into three pieces and sell it for three pennies profit. But, my friend, during that time you must never succumb to buying an extra piece of bread for the table or a toy for a child, no. You must immediately run out and get yourself a still larger piece cloth and so you repeat this process over and over and suddenly you discover something. You have no longer any desire, any temptation to dig into the Earth to gr
mircea_popescu: hy or an army or a land myth. All you have is a little brain. A little brain and a great bearded legend to sustain you and convince you that you are special, even in poverty. But this little brain, that's the real key you see. With this little brain you go out and you buy a piece of cloth and you cut that cloth in two and you go and sell it for a penny more than you paid for it. Then you run right out and buy another piece of
mircea_popescu: "You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in one place long enough to have a geograp
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and yer time has to be worth ~0 << NO, it just has to be worth less than (tradeperson wage)/(2 or 3)
mircea_popescu: the other's, in the words of that pawnbroker ( http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/ ) jew,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's exactly two ways to construct value into this world. one's to take the 1/4 * 350mn / 2 = 40 or so million currently useless refuse and turn them into women. even if you only manage a small %, it's still something. aka, uranium water filtering.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> whole gedankenexperiment was predicated on 'fix carcass' << White gase camp stove is $50 to $350. There, kitchen.
asciilifeform: not even certain that i would know how to operate it if it ~were~. etc.
mircea_popescu: no joke. and yes, built and run like this.
mircea_popescu: cairo, for the record, is a city ~the size of california.
asciilifeform: 'water water everywhere, and still the boards did shrink'
mircea_popescu: note that you're drowning in cunt, meanwhile.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's position is considerably closer to that, than to the egyptian paterfamilias.
mircea_popescu: but from HIS perspective, it's that you can't afford the tools.
mircea_popescu: the reason white man doesn't build the middle eastern tower may be whatever you wish it to be.
mircea_popescu: there's ONE thing the middle eastern guy has that white man can't replicate, and that is, a stable, and here i kid you not, a stable, of dozen+ pliable obedient females WITH offspring. ☟︎
asciilifeform: well that was my tentative conclusion.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 17:31 asciilifeform: i like the idea of slowly building 'dirigible'
mircea_popescu: not altogether clear this can be done http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495856 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i have 0 use for the latter.
mircea_popescu: the question to you is, are you building a dirigible in the white man sense or in the sand nigger sense ?
mircea_popescu: for the anthropologist, god damned fascinating, they're like a family-sized snail building its conch. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the thing being, that you walk around the item and know the social rank of the inhabitants, and then look up and see the sluttery of the X chromosome baked in.
mircea_popescu: should any of the girls manage to get knocked up, the family is drafted to pour more concrete, make another "roof" ie floor, and fill brick in between
asciilifeform: ah yeah those
mircea_popescu: so, they do not have rooves, per se. just an unfinished floor, which has a foot or two of pillar reinforced concrete, with the rebar exposed.
mircea_popescu: the height reflects the family fertility.
mircea_popescu: the land surface of this tower reflects the importance of the clan inhabiting it.
asciilifeform: lemme guess, it is more of jet fighter to them
mircea_popescu: but to this dubious race of the east, a house is not a definite item. instead, it is a tower.
mircea_popescu: see, to you, or in general to white people of the tribe that invented houses, a house is a thing, a definite item.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you familiar with the house structure as a cultural item in the middle east ?
mircea_popescu: it's either "paiont and scrub this property" or else "go to school" / "look for a job" / ruin perfectly good food "cooking" and be bitchy about it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like it or not, the time of about 1/4 of us female population IS worth 0.
asciilifeform: i like the idea of slowly building 'dirigible' ☟︎
asciilifeform: which is why i contemplated the bmore thing
phf: my time is expensive, but it's non linear. i can't be hacking 24/7, or parsing information, sometimes i need to build things out of wood to let brain reset
asciilifeform: i suppose, the same folks who build ships in bottles
phf: some people like to go about that way as an avocation
asciilifeform: (either that or you have to ~like~ shoveling shit)
asciilifeform: for it to even begin to resemble making financial sense.
asciilifeform: and yer time has to be worth ~0
phf: of course you have to actually be poor to do it that way
phf: mircea_popescu: my calculations assume that you're not trying to move into up to standards place upfront. mircea_popescu: i'm thinking how much it takes to put it in a survival mode. fridge, stove and window AC, then you spend the next year working over the place on weekends. i had a few friends who did it that way, ended up with high resale value places when the area inevitably gentrified 10 years later
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but not the bmore house's.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are such in the place i live now.
mircea_popescu: for THAT arrangement, new ducts will run you 3-400 bucks and you're done.
asciilifeform: but i dunno if worth the bother.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform cheapo scheme above, cheaper to replace the ducts." denotes that in the "central air" image i linked, the ducts exist in the attic as free standing tin foil. they're connected to a grate in the roof of rooms.
mircea_popescu: paster is fiddy bux the ton, neh ?
asciilifeform: cheaper to dynamite the carcass and build new, than to replace plastered-in ducts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, depends. sometime "tear the whole shit down" is cheaper than fix. besides, if i'm going to pour concrete in my kitchen, i'd much rather pour the whole floor plane.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cheapo scheme above, cheaper to replace the ducts.
asciilifeform: it is typically a trailer-sized blower/vacuum
mircea_popescu: last time i took over a place, ~50 girl-hours went into scrubbing surfaces.
mircea_popescu: and this is with free female labour to paint walls and scrub surfaces clean, and with paint, solvent and detergent included in the figures for the items (which alsoinclude transport etc)
mircea_popescu: just proper fridge (1k at the very least) ; proper stove (about 500, fittings et all) ; dishwasher (another 500) touches your 2k. this includes no cabinets or other furniture, no retiling the walls, no holy shit expenses such as redoing the floor, fixing holes in walls or adding a section of roof etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495583 << i would like to see your calculation, because actual experience contradicts it something sad. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it looks almost exactly like this.
asciilifeform: lel for a second i thought mircea_popescu dug up the photo of asciilifeform's attic posted last year !!
mircea_popescu: can use tootpick
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo even easier in autoclaved cellular concrete, w/e they call it in anglolands
mircea_popescu: http://environmentalairsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/100_0571.jpg << central air. here depicted, cheapskate marginal unit with flexible tubage. proper units have rigid tubes, do air purifying etc at intake point, force air through tubes.
BingoBoingo: Anyways cutting a hole in brick to install mini-split in book room is nbd, just use a sawzall
mircea_popescu: in the old.
BingoBoingo: A<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo aha. << Actually I was thinking mini-split. But yes "central air" in US residential use almost always means a split system.
asciilifeform: where? in the new houses ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect you detect turpentine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, jews from bukovina. first pass, the nazis. 2nd pass, the russians
asciilifeform: the smell! some of the bmore houses have it
phf: makes sense, though i suspect particular house was untouched, or touched up anyway. reminded me of some of the golden youth moscow apartments, thick beams of hardwood floor, tiny rooms with high ceilings, certain way the place smells
mircea_popescu: things... didn't go well for them.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 15:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495542 << ben_vulpes could literally buy entire street in bmore for what he is almost certainly paying in the white man's land
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495572 << which reminds me of this girl i knew back in romania, whose grandfather had bought her uncle an entire street as a 18yo present. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so they'd blow up a ceiling in the entryway to make the house "look" tall, and so on.
mircea_popescu: high end stuff such as oak (we didn't count oak parquet as anything. we did peach, and cherry, and nut tree for the up end) costs to put in 1/5 of what it gets priced in as.
mircea_popescu: phf but for the floors, this is actually what the smart "fixers" do.
phf: also i looked at the apartment in philadelphia that had wall window for the street side room, 14'' ceilings, hardwood floor everywhere. was built end of 19th century. and of course the rent goes exponential. instead of $1000 that was sop for the size, it was something like $2500