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mp_en_viaje: well, reddit couldn't have emptied at same time as it ~didn't exist back then. but still, they did their best and 2012ish or so i think it was ?
mp_en_viaje: digg ~still~ pretends to relevancy, to this very day. their claim just as good at any point throughout as reddit's, actually. just... no note from hitler, meaning pravda dun ever mention digg with the pomp & implication it mentions reddit
asciilifeform: iirc same graveyard as 'slashdot' an' 'digg' ?
asciilifeform: as portrayed in mp_en_viaje's 'unflattering truth'
mp_en_viaje: nfi that i would. but potentially, as i said, to ban anyone who didn't post tits.
asciilifeform: i vaguely suspected that phf's proggy exists as currently-unreproducible (i.e. not fully represented by the source) 'save-lisp-and-die' ball
asciilifeform: i genesised 5000ln+ of fucking asm!! last month. and scarcely expect that anyone will read, aside maybe from mp_en_viaje's gurlz as a punishment detail. but it has to be done.
asciilifeform: phf: at the risk of 'broken record', i gotta say that all of this would be 9000x moar helpful if existed as genesis , rather than asciilifeform to sit and derive from old logs and phf's summary, how was done.
phf: this is basically the same as your special endpoint for giving out the 500 log messages
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 13:14:01 asciilifeform: this horror aint even rare exception, but as i understand has happened to each logger to date when 1) bot fell 2) folx continued to speak 3) bot stood up . i'd like to devise a deterministic algo for wat-do in such cases, they will repeat for so long as we inhabit fleanode
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's logger intended moar as ice breaker ship, to make the subj navigable, than final solution. and 'final' -- as already detailed by mp_en_viaje -- would be a constellation of heterogeneous items that know how to speak a common sync, operated by diff people.
asciilifeform: i'ma fix the uniturdism in coming days. and diddle the log as described by mp_en_viaje . but when next net split, or bot eventually falls (no one afaik has yet written/hosted bot that did not fall at least erry 6wks ) we will have to revisit the wat-do
asciilifeform: the whole q reduces to gossipd, as mp_en_viaje pointed out already. atm we're attempting to hand-crank gossipd.
asciilifeform: well ~that~ nonsense yes. but netsplits etc. will continue for so long as fleanode
mp_en_viaje: as step towards ye gossipd of lore.
mp_en_viaje: this is kinda-sorta where my "add logger to mp-wp pages" thing goes towards. conceivably one could have a reconcillation process as part of one's blog
asciilifeform: but as it is, we have 'memory leak' for operator time -- enemy can trivially occupy 100% of l1 hands for arbitrary time w/ the work of spoon-feeding logs
asciilifeform: as in, operators
mp_en_viaje: and not ~merely~ multiple as nude existence. nude as reflective process, people keeping track of them.
mp_en_viaje: i do not believe such a thing as ~a~ cannonical copy may exist.
asciilifeform: (and in the end still resulting in divergent text b/w loggers, as pointed out upstack)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 12:34:04 mp_en_viaje: most of my implements started life as... pet toys, at pet store. all sorta silicone beaters, ball launchers that are epic for hurt and so on
asciilifeform: this horror aint even rare exception, but as i understand has happened to each logger to date when 1) bot fell 2) folx continued to speak 3) bot stood up . i'd like to devise a deterministic algo for wat-do in such cases, they will repeat for so long as we inhabit fleanode
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'fix the refs' as in, modify stored lines ?
snsabot: Logged on 2016-06-19 23:21:04 mircea_popescu: I myself used a Hole Hawg to drill many holes through studs, which it did as a blender chops cabbage. I also used it to cut a few six-inch-diameter holes through an old lath-and-plaster ceiling. I chucked in a new hole saw, went up to the second story, reached down between the newly installed floor joists, and began to cut through the first-floor ceiling below. Where my homeowner's drill had labored and whined
mp_en_viaje: some things, such as machined steel buttplugs, yes. some other things, holy hell no, shitty handcuffs with plastifur hotglued on sorta-kinda ?!
mp_en_viaje: most of my implements started life as... pet toys, at pet store. all sorta silicone beaters, ball launchers that are epic for hurt and so on
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-14 12:08:00 asciilifeform: and in short order you get the lemon market, where 'why should i pay a cent moar, i know i will get exactly same shit as from lolmart no matter how much i pay'
mp_en_viaje: re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928620 specifically : the fucking retards ACTUALLY do this, buy cheap shitty plastirope, cut it to ridiculous length, sell it as "kinky rope" in colored cardboard
mp_en_viaje: im actually working [as per your orders] no less!
asciilifeform: when 'be' was alive, could in fact edit film on (1990s! era) pc ! instead of on dedicated tape decks. as caught on only decade later, when microshit deemed it possible on their i-cant-believe-its-not-os
asciilifeform: well guesswat. surrounded by microshit (with crapple as hand-puppet) lymphocytes, digested, shat out.
asciilifeform: ( on rare occasions, ends instead like bolix. but arguably similar enuff, fella who dies of heat and the other who -- of cold, still just as dead in the end)
asciilifeform: and in short order you get the lemon market, where 'why should i pay a cent moar, i know i will get exactly same shit as from lolmart no matter how much i pay'
asciilifeform: 'Some people make new stuff... The herd gathers round the new item... The herd proceeds to interact with the new item... The fallen... come forth to "lead" the herd, to create "rules" for "the betterment" of the herd... The people continue to make their things exactly as they feel like... The herd moos happily'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was drawn into bitcoin (specifically as portrayed by mp_en_viaje ; was never in the tardstalk forum , and http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 until encountered mp_en_viaje ) specifically because appeared, to asciilifeform , to be the 1st known instance of a successful defense against the 1-5 rot progression .
mp_en_viaje: i dunno about wwwtards! redditards i can see, but in the period between 93 and say digg days as the end, up to about 2010, having a website was rather a promise of sanity.
asciilifeform: but reactor would quietly run vms ( as incidentally they still do ) on vax.
asciilifeform: well linux in particular, as perpetrated by the finn, would almost certainly have stopped at the 'bored'
mp_en_viaje: either that or he'd have gotten bored of it about the same time as he did irl, and dropped in the drawer.
asciilifeform: to pile on the upstack thrd tho : lamp, as i see it, was linux's great ~calamity~. w/out rise of www, linux (or, moar likely, the bsd's) would have stayed small, obscure ( like many of the other systems asciilifeform worked with , that actually work and mp_en_viaje never heard of, or heard of strictly in 'facebookized' variants ) but... working. i.e. remained a green shoot in the pavement, for however long .
asciilifeform: q is how many are missing chunks tho, as well as cut .
snsabot: Logged on 2017-02-18 17:29:22 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
asciilifeform: i see the wwwism fad as tumour mass, rather than giraffe. yes from 'who's got the most cells, haha' tumour in yer chest the size of basketball is a 'success' .
mp_en_viaje: as mentioned, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-14#1928499
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has somewhat atypical ( and to mp_en_viaje , grating ) pov re linux because was never wwwist (until voluntarily fell on this grenade for tmsr work) , instead earned bread for yrs on such things as ~non networked~ linux boxen where crunched numbers, drove eldritch machinery, etc
asciilifeform: but to take this angle further -- it could have easily grown ( just as briefly, or longer, no one can know ) through ~different~ crack. if were not for www fad, could easily know linux today as 'that thing weird greybeards use for cnc-ing submarine propellers'
mp_en_viaje: this is also true, as a broad trend. it is unfortunate but true that the inept king prefers crossbowmen over archers, because archers take lifetime to train and dedication from puberty to craft, whereas crossbow can be operated by... outsourced labour. it takes a certain sort of short-sightedness to not notice the implicit band-of-brothers vs your own nobles cutting down your own mercs
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-bipolar-rates-are-increasing-as-long-as-youre-willing-to-call-everything-bipolar-and-defy-gods-will-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Bipolar Rates Are Increasing As Long As You're Willing To Call Everything Bipolar And Defy God's Will. Adnotated.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 14:49 phf: but correct way of handling this in python, is to read() line by line, which returns whatever, ascii, then parse the [date] <nick> bits as ascii, then take the rest of line and try: msg.decode('utf-8') except: msg.decode('latin-1')
mp_en_viaje: yes, guido von fucktard is going to "invent" a "language to make programming easy for everyone", hurr. it's exactly as needed as a tin-foil-covered-kitchen-knife makes a great birthday present. yes, a bright 5yo / retarded 12yo might give you that for your birthday ; you may even briefly interact with it. it's still not a fucking thing --
mp_en_viaje: yes, there's alternatives. of course there are. you don't have to coca cola, there's also pepsi. you like postgres more than mysql, well the fuck done, use that then. it'll be still used as an M in LAMP. because that's what the damned thing is, "flexibility" my ass.
mp_en_viaje: when you get a job with microsoft, you ~also~ buy the 90yo "representative" from iowa being "senior" just as you buy the add treatment for your kids and the wood frame house in vinyl siding and "black culture" and everything else.
mp_en_viaje: since i exhausted him, i will now bark into the ethers (until someone wakes up), in the form of the following consumer computing likbez that we can all discuss once everyone else is sober -- im having second thoughts as to whether i ever want to be sober again.
mp_en_viaje: Flask is a lightweight WSGI web application framework. It is designed to make getting started quick and easy, with the ability to scale up to complex applications. It began as a simple wrapper around Werkzeug and Jinja and has become one of the most popular Python web application frameworks." << really makes me want to be sober, reading that thing.
asciilifeform: as separate users
asciilifeform: only if run as root, which ugh
mp_en_viaje: so do you have nginx configured as reverse proxy or why does it keep getting mentioned ?
mp_en_viaje: god lov'em, cuz i sure as fuck don't.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, ok so then, what's the problem with the obvious course : test some static html files, see if it has same problem, implement cache as discussed yest when time permits and be done with it.
mp_en_viaje: nfi what you mean by "impedance mathc" either, it's an unusefully high level concept for this convo. if fs-is-my-cache and apache-workers items as they exist match your impedance, then yes it does. if they do not, then no it does not.
mp_en_viaje: "box is not doing, routerallah is doing", how shall i put this. there's no way to prevent a stampede as the guy being stampeded, it should be self-obvious
mp_en_viaje: in general, fwis, it's ~always much better to do the "use apache for threading and fs-as-cache" model than anything else. but then again i'm not the hacker, don't let me keep you from your destiny.
mp_en_viaje: The characters 128-159 are not used in ISO 8859-1 and Unicode, the character sets of HTML. MS-Windows uses a superset of ANSI/ISO 8859-1, known to experts as "Code Page 1252 (CP1252)", a Microsoft-specific character set with additional characters in the 128-159 range (also known as the "C1" range).
asciilifeform: lobbes: my bot only echoes own loglines. as per traditional mp-given style.
lobbes: errr lobbesbot's readout. anyways I'll bbl as well
asciilifeform: may well end up having to rewrite the formatter to use <table> . as in phuctor. there, and nowhere else , wrapping seems to work 100% , on all browser from 'lynx' to 1990s 'netscape'
lobbes: well, I definitely saw some oddities in the raw logs on my end (as in, some of the problem lines had e.g. apostropies rendered as '?' when I viewed them through the 'more' command, for example)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 12:29:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928196 << lobbes does this result in same eggogs when eating your archive as before ?
asciilifeform: ( not strictly as 'toy for noobs' but will help torture-test , perhaps readers will turn up some case where renders barf )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928291 << i take it 'blue dollar' is/was same thing as sovok's 'convertible ruble' ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928196 << lobbes does this result in same eggogs when eating your archive as before ?
asciilifeform: it aint best possible pipe, but pretty good; and , as i pointed out already, effect persists ~without~ it ( i.e. operating curl within dulap shaves only 200msec vs to my chair; and has same peculiar 'burst' pattern and wild variance in total time )
asciilifeform: err, nginx there, presently. interestingly, set up as experiment 'wsgi', python's equiv. of php's 'mod-php', and made ~no measurable diff !
asciilifeform: this is actually the interesting thing about multiprocesstronic proggies. as alluded to by spyked . the improbable -- is certain to eventually happen.
asciilifeform: *as simple
mp_en_viaje: point being, some duplication will hurt ~nothing anyway. you can keep them as they are, just drop the spurious design constraint
asciilifeform: hm prolly i oughta have done it phuctor-style (where there's 1 .py and it can run either as wwwtron or 'eater' depending on cmdline params. )
asciilifeform: in that case may as well make'em same proggy. tho i like being able to reset the www displayer w/out affecting bot.
asciilifeform: the logger is built deliberately not to assume that it is on same box as www.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-08-12 11:20:24 asciilifeform: ( 4x, as large as can be had. )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927665 << this , btw, will require some thought -- presently wwwtron has nfi 'when someone speaks' , can only query the db ( as can be seen in the 'last time anyone spoke' section of proggy ) which itself takes time
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 18:08:25 asciilifeform: nobody has said anyffin re the checkerboard, i'ma keep it as stands then unless someone reports that it makes eyes bleed
asciilifeform: nobody has said anyffin re the checkerboard, i'ma keep it as stands then unless someone reports that it makes eyes bleed
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 16:44:50 bvt: asciilifeform: there is another thing that i just noticed that different between phf's logger and yours: single quote (') is encoded as &#039 in phf's logger, and as &apos in yours -- and &apos happens to be totally broken in links graphical mode (links -g). i can fix this on the links side, but i wonder if this is intended/acceptable behavior
bvt: well when i was re-signing another vtools vpatch at phf's request (for keccak regrind), i did the full re-testing as when releasing it the first time, to make sure that everything is ok.
mp_en_viaje: to be sure i think your patch is fine as it is.
bvt: asciilifeform: there is another thing that i just noticed that different between phf's logger and yours: single quote (') is encoded as &#039 in phf's logger, and as &apos in yours -- and &apos happens to be totally broken in links graphical mode (links -g). i can fix this on the links side, but i wonder if this is intended/acceptable behavior
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: near as i could tell, they were 'protesting' the theoretical non-reelection of obummer. vanished within coupla days of 2012 continuation in office.
asciilifeform: typical cheats, in so far as they reach the open literature, involve the coin dispenser, rather than rng per se.
mp_en_viaje: after seeing the line-of-cabs edifice of socialism this doesn't even strike me as unlikely
asciilifeform: pictured, as consequence, modern ro as a place similar to india
mp_en_viaje: yeah, makes sense. as in -- i can understand the fungal path
asciilifeform: current snsabot ignores all fleanode-generated rubbish (only processes traditional messages, such as spoken in chans, errything else is dropped silently)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
mp_en_viaje: refered to as "a soul" when contrasted with that drawing of replicants, or "theorems to prove" when discussing the lost to nativity.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 07:24:23 mp_en_viaje: that guy was eminently ALSO capable, in the of-this-list sense fo capacity. he wandered off on his own power, there was no "meet mp" moment iirc. but there's inescapably, overpoweringly, a difference between the daimons (one of the first trilema participants, back in 2009), and the phfs (as it happens, the most recent "victim" of my "abusive" approach to disreality) of the world, and nicole on the other.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 05:59:50 spyked: asciilifeform, minor nitpick re snsabot: I see no difference in the www interface between CTCP actions (the /me thing) and normal replies. e.g. I would expect ^ to be rendered as "spyked also tried ..." instead of "spyked: also tried".
diana_coman: spyked: fwiw re daimon - he came in and asked me for a rating years ago as if it was a village and I should know it was "him"; once I figured out which "Alex" he was, I rated him; then even pulled and pushed him to try eulora - he resisted it and never made it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 04:40:45 spyked: and by frontend I mean, proggy that receives file as command argument and plays it -- in case of audio file, without spawning anything graphical