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a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:55 mircea_popescu:
the notion
that you WANT "instant" messaging is simply begging
the question - you
thereby and
therefore DO NOT want secure, or workable, or sane.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 22:00 mircea_popescu: it is not clear
that otp actually works ; it is almost certain nothing else in
the "pfs" gargle does.
shinohai: No gpg signature, nor offer
to review source in sight.
Framedragger: (re. latin,
thanks / agree,
though my latin would only be good for spotting some grammar/syntax errors in modern latin, heh. but yeah...)
mircea_popescu: haha. ok, ima produce an english version of
the official romanian story
thereof.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger btw, since we're on
this : you know
the story of sobieski and his siege of piatra neamt ?
Framedragger: the latter seems hard on a practical level, even if very admirable. maybe it's a rationalization of my laziness,
though
mircea_popescu: (and as a general rule, never read a summary unless you own
the producer.)
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe it's opaque without a lot of other bits not directly obvious
to me ; but until i hear better i'll continue
to believe it directly works.
mircea_popescu: myeah. well... read
the source material. fortunately
the fellows were literate, and recorded in latin.
Framedragger: i know
to some extent but not well enough, and i'd need
to find credible sources (what we've been fed in high school re
this is no good,
teh lithuanian perspective etc etc)
mircea_popescu: you know
that bit of history ? definitely worth reading,
the fall of
the republic of both nations.
mircea_popescu: what
they do in
the war room does not benefit from "near instantaenous". contrary
to what
the ustards in
that position
think.
mircea_popescu: whart we do here would suffer from delay ; but would not benefit from encryption. shit,
there's a log anyway.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu:
this, incidentally and admittedly, is probably why i'm reading logz and half-lurking and all
that,
to be honest with you
mircea_popescu: my point
there is
that you are confusing
two incompatible
things :
the market and
the general staff.
there is exactly no overlap between
these structurally dijunct items ; and entities
that
tried
to use
the same for both (example - classical polish-lithuanian commonwealth) failed miserably FOR
THIS REASON.
mircea_popescu: generally,
tmsr stuff is very powerfully innovative exactly for
this reason :
that it utterly rejects ~very well selected~ priors commonly shared by "community consensus". it's a bunch of people
that "can't spell properly", but not for lack of knowing grammar.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger aha, yeah. more
than
that : "this is coming from my wot IF YOU ARE IN IT. maybe i'm lying
to you, fucker."
mircea_popescu: "everyone
tune in #trilema and listen for me saying go" ?
mircea_popescu: so you have it all,
the warehouses bought,
the parts delivered, drones are assembled and ready
to. for whatever reason you need
to syncronize
this. and whaty you will do is...
Framedragger: but it was nice
to understand where "gossip" comes from in gossipd: it's all about *not* providing any authenticity of source (beyond "this is coming from my wot")
mircea_popescu: my evaluation of it was "rewrite" rather
than "import" fwiw. but unlike
tor, i have no beef with it as of yet.
Framedragger: well, i'll want near-instant-something anyway. perhaps i'm spoiled by
teh culture around me (not facebook etc, but more like, well, irc)
mircea_popescu: i
think we broached
this before ; anyway - perfect forward secrecy is not a
trivial matter.
mircea_popescu: it is not clear
that otp actually works ; it is almost certain nothing else in
the "pfs" gargle does.
☟︎ Framedragger: mircea_popescu: sure, i see your point regarding implicit assumptions in "instant messaging" etc.; but on a
technical point,
they allow for pfs
through 'session secrets' without having a bunch of pre-computed keys (unknown status of distaste @
these
terms here)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:51 Framedragger: difficult
to organize coups without
the 'I'.
the (shitty shitty)
turkey coup used whatsapp incidentally
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504163 << and coups organized by people who don't know each other (to
the degree
that
they actually use facebook.whatever)... fail.
though
the department of state idiocy in
turkey was not even accomplished enough
to merit
the name of failure, properly speaking.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: there's a lot of
these strands of cocktopus stuck in each and every pie. how do you have "democratic" syria ?
turns out
that you don't - you either have "democratic" yet-another-flyover-state ; or else syria.
mircea_popescu: much like asking "how do you make working social security" skews
the discussion into nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the notion
that you WANT "instant" messaging is simply begging
the question - you
thereby and
therefore DO NOT want secure, or workable, or sane.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:50 asciilifeform: Framedragger: pgp. drop
the 'I'.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 18:53 asciilifeform: kinda how i boot up
that cute x86 systemv and
then notice
that it is PALPABLY slow on modern pentium because it lacks ANY disk cache etc.
mircea_popescu: the dao "could work" so
therefore FUTURE OF CURRENCIEH OMAIGERD
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:46 asciilifeform: writing 'open' whatevers for a machine where a closed radio has dma
to
the whole bus, is a laugh
mircea_popescu: these idiots built
their entire minds on
this broken equation.
mircea_popescu: see,
the fetishism
thing again. it "could" be so
therefore ~= is.
mircea_popescu: sheep can be coaxed into bleating in
tune. is
this an orchestra now ?
Framedragger: ..and yet allegedly smart cs d00dz want
to speak
to me about anonymous publishing on
the internets (yes i know, quite oxymoronic) with
these little shits in
their pockets
mircea_popescu: nobody burns
them down, so i suppose
there's lots of space for ridiculous on
the street.
mircea_popescu: the derpage of people pretending
to do
their copmputing on "smart" phones is,
to my eyes, way
the fuck more ridiculous
than
the attempt
to you know, make a "small kernel"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine for a second such a
thing as a proper controlled-by-owner-computer phone existed.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger historically, location contracts come with a key for
the actual owner.
mircea_popescu: depends.
the latter makes a better story for burning man.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
the only guarantee life comes with is
that it will have been wasted.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:38 mircea_popescu: it is safe
to say
the result of a life dedicated
to science will idem be "pile of shit"
mircea_popescu: not doing because "You can't do" is how 15yo virgins end up 25 yo virgins.
the fucking point is
to go ask
the girl
that'"d never say yes"
mircea_popescu: anyway. while
the situation is dire, no contest -
the solution will be of
the nature of a SOLUTION. ie, applying solvent.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: including
the ones in
the mobile phones, of course - yay!!1
Framedragger: (firmware situation and
things like wifi cards are atrocious indeed, it seems)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
that is not necessarily a germane point. no extant arm requires you
to NOT write your fucking own.
mircea_popescu: it is safe
to say
the result of a life dedicated
to science will idem be "pile of shit"
☟︎ Framedragger: such project potential for
tmsr after all! (of course redundancy is bad)
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute his conclusion - result will likely be pile of shit. nevertheless,
the process is important.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: do you
think arm is by now a pit of hell,
too? it *is* much more RISKy after all, designs clearer and well documented (iirc?) etc
a111: Logged on 2016-07-13 15:38 asciilifeform: (why do 1,001 sound cards need
to exist?)