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mircea_popescu: btw, you know the beaches here are full of hermit crabs ?
mircea_popescu: me too, but i didn't like the sort of crowd it created. years later i read what zappa had to say about disco crowd, almost exactly the same sentiment.
mircea_popescu: Mocky ohhh, so it's not ~every xbox~, it's ~every thisbox~.
mircea_popescu was always spiteful of the boxen, never bought never liked, never socialized with the console kids etc.
mircea_popescu: also the first promise microsoft kept, to my knowledge
mircea_popescu: the correct reaction re explanations is ~that the subject aspiring move inside the walls~, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: there's no need to explain anything to anyone outside these here walls.
mircea_popescu: and also, consider : eulora client is ~definitionally~ for all comers. these people won't run your toolchain anyway.
mircea_popescu: and the correct pill re understanding is to cut the examples out once and for all!
mircea_popescu: ~something to talk about~. it can be many things, and most not even contemplable at the onset.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman note that "binary identity" is not even necessary a premise. you can go "hey shithead, why the fuck are you linking dynamic mysql when there's been a static one for five years". or w/e.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and yes, reproducible builds ~WILL~ happen. but guess what ? if and only if something actually depends on it.
mircea_popescu: i didn't make this world ; i'm just trying to live in it.
mircea_popescu: which, i'm told, is the true basis of all happy marriages.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you see the code he deeded and see can't reproduce. so now you two have something to talk about
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i ~didn't propose that~ in 2016, either, did i.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well because say mocky does the release. ima frown if his release sucks, and he doesn't want that ; and his toolchain is to be expected better than literally rando camwhore's, "i dunno how kleopatra works". neh ?
mircea_popescu: seems altogether an improvement of overal object code being run.
mircea_popescu: but even that aside, i still don't see wtf is wrong with "we'll produce sane binaries instead of waiting for whatever shit-kit rando luser has to spit out whatever it does".
mircea_popescu: this is no sort of life, incidentally. it's what the old "engineering" used to be, "construct complicated looms that are friable and hard to maintain so as to have an eat."
mircea_popescu: yet somehow ~there~ you see why this is not much of a concern.
mircea_popescu: for all you know, BingoBoingo hooked up the kvm while you slept and mod6 read your postgres code and is still laughing.
mircea_popescu: nevermind "shed some light". the point fucking remains, as long as secrets are kept secrets are kept, what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: and no, you've not published phuctor, nor liked the idea. shall i quote you or can you quote yourself ?
mircea_popescu: that's why i'm not fucking concerned of "l1 leaks". who the fuck are they going to leak TO ? the goats ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but these cotemplated here are built under control, of the only human invoplved in the relationship!
mircea_popescu: "sure, ima totally take 88 hours to emerge world, AGAIN"
mircea_popescu: i have to fucking compile every thing the 9000th time, i can't just put binary images on my 9001th rockchip ?!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: situation 2, as contemplated : you release a binary, which mp like an idiot runs, and that's that. the machine no longer has cause to think alf's an idiot.
mircea_popescu: dude. situation 1, as currently : you release code, mp like an idiot compiles it on ubuntu, jnow your code exists as a drepper mockery of itself. as far as the machine can tell, you asciilifeform are an idiot.
mircea_popescu: but i mean... lookit, the author will make a static binary ; and who the fuck is going to make a drepper systemd thing ?
mircea_popescu: now, do you dispute that it permits control of the released binaries ?
mircea_popescu: well... there are engines that work by soaking. moreover what is this, metaphore exercise hour ?
mircea_popescu: but the "keep magic coad from heathens" is your contribution to this discussion!
mircea_popescu: like i dunno, don't up all idiots so they shiot the log. thart's not a confidence ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really ?! we have all sorts of things in confidence i thought!
mircea_popescu: how is the described process cost anything ? i dun get it. because deedbot ends up storing tons of loc ?
mircea_popescu: are you talking to what i'm saying or to what some other guy mighv'e said that was also an idiot ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman that part is coincidental ; it just happened that the first candidate for testing this paradigm happened to be owned by minigame.
mircea_popescu: that's how you fuck women, yes ? they keep secrets and the verifying is impossible ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) there's no practical possibilty for collective answerable ; b) as discussed in previous thread (when you were trying to make up contest rules), it's not possible to prove the owner himself didn't leak.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously, putting any sort of depending burden upon the l1 means it'll mean more than less. but how much do we want it to mean in the first place ?
mircea_popescu: but just because one's out does it mean one's now an asshole ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly ; in which vein one'd much rather have the original precious cuntlets that did it than the original symbolix.
mircea_popescu: "oh, the code belongs to the people". things can't belong to things incapable of ownership. which is why the stars belong to me, not me to mother earth or w/e is the american indian femview.
mircea_popescu: i do not presently believe it is ~possible~ to not to ; idiotic socialistoidisms aside. and no, i don't think the world, or even the garbage bin, of the "idealistic" "visionary" nonsense, either.
mircea_popescu: phf i do not believe the bus factor is even remotely important there.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman to whatever he wants to pursue. be it "you fucking assholes" or whatever else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't aim, not to accomplish nor to anything. but i wrote it down! by numbers! what i imagine the outcomes to be.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this depends. "in general" it's dubious people can keep sexual secrets ; and yet women managed to keep mine from betas for many many years.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically know whether this would work well for systems work. but we're starting this discussion with a ~client~. 99% of people WANT the binary in thew first place.