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asciilifeform: *my
asciilifeform: lol i have this on by boxes, it goes by 'dos2unix' , standard util neh
asciilifeform: ( recall, 'genetics'-style diff, that refers to actual byte positions )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu barfed at my 'let's forbid semantically meaningful newlines in vtronics' item, earlier.
asciilifeform: this is new
asciilifeform: ideally proggy would be distributed as a ast in sexpr, and we wouldn't have 'tabs & spaces' thread. but we aint there yet.
asciilifeform: reflow sucks.
asciilifeform: hanbot: apparently this is mircea_popescu's prescribed answer
asciilifeform: say what's 'fix' then ? 1024 col display ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: diana_coman's are already 900+
asciilifeform: mechanically-reflowed proggy suxx to read, i can tell that mircea_popescu spends ~0 time actually reading ( as in, go offline for whole day to read 1 proggy ) coad.
asciilifeform: standard line len makes it possible to meaningfully discuss loc, among other things.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764371 << see also prev thrd. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's not doable without a transformer that's aware of the syntax. and doing it will destroy ability to refer to orig author's lines by number in conversation.
asciilifeform: not even my hand-sewn pretty printing liquishit, does this.
asciilifeform: printer driver dun do this.
asciilifeform: preserving indentation !
asciilifeform: and 'fits in head' demands fit-in-page-preserving-indentation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i use printers, and aint about to stop, it's part of my code-eating workflow.
asciilifeform: ideally sexprs. but maybe that's next decade.
asciilifeform: ( there's 200+ col. lines in trb )
asciilifeform: they're already in, e.g., trb. but was thinking, perhaps folx will eventually stop, cuz it's a headache and to fix it is not in any sense expensive imho.
asciilifeform: nor barn doors
asciilifeform: i dun have infinitely-sized chairs at my house either, even though 'arse can be any width!11'
asciilifeform: line breaks to fit on civilized terminals & printers aint spurious. i suspect that we're doomed to disagree.
asciilifeform: it will, unless you use heapistic diff
asciilifeform: and to write e.g. vtron, you gotta pick a max length in advance
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: keep in mind that it ain't 'text', tho, it's a proggy, the line is a semantic unit
asciilifeform: ( i actually use these. but they're turned on their side, so i can put moar-proggy into'em, rather than longer-line )
asciilifeform: or he actually has one of those road-sign shaped displays, or which
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu like to horizontal-scroll ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how wide is your terminal ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869251 << sounds grim, but afaik Mocky not tried the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869171 gambit yet ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: i'm a little surprised the vtron even swallowed it.
asciilifeform: ( the width of the constants pictured in http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/04/smg-comms-chapter-6-packing-and-unpacking-rsa/#selection-121.192-121.4240 )
asciilifeform: nobody's terminal, afaik, is 980 wide.
asciilifeform: i hate to bring back ancient thread re 'how many columns in terminal', but you ~must~ have a finite width, or cannot write even basic thing like vtron without idjit heapism. and i'm heavily biased to 'make'em 80' , that's how wide my terminal and printers are.
asciilifeform: worx same as the multiline notation in c
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869238 << iirc ( really calls for experimental test ) when you foo : String := "bar" & "baz" ; at compile time it glues'em , and does not drag in secondarystackism, fwiw ☝︎
asciilifeform brb
asciilifeform strong proponent of 80col-ism, even builds with gnat flag that makes >80 an eggog
asciilifeform: what'd be wrong with "line1" & "line2" ..... & "lineN"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-04#1869188 << kilometre-wide lines, wai! ☝︎
asciilifeform will bbl, gotta sharpen an axe & other chores
asciilifeform: can't make head or tail of this, aha
asciilifeform: fucking wwwliquishit.
asciilifeform: tried it on several wwwtron
asciilifeform: i'ma log out, this one will have to go to sumbody else, mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: ugh it just flipped into some scene where i'm a fairy riding a sow with bow tie and i have nfi what to do with this
asciilifeform marvels at the sea of blinkenlights
asciilifeform: which one do you want
asciilifeform: loaded the flashism, it offers 'buy' various in-games
asciilifeform: ( orig url still eggog )
asciilifeform: grr, logs in, but there's no pay hole
asciilifeform: oh hm on diff browser seems to work, 1s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eggog: Request parameter error and (if by hand) 'user name does not exist'
asciilifeform: ok 1s
asciilifeform: it boggles my brain, that there is 10,000 man-years of things to do, but some folx carefully avoid doing anyffin.
asciilifeform: possib
asciilifeform: i.e. 'hunchback will straighten in his grave' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'sad serpent hole', a d00d like shinohai could easily take my proggy and determine whether e.g. aes's, key expander is injective (afaik nobody ever bothered)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll do it, gpggram coords
asciilifeform brb,teatime
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: ( bake it in ECL, then get 'for phree' not only constant-time, but constant-current.
asciilifeform: 1995-era process would entirely suffice.
asciilifeform: doesn't even need 10nM or anyffing of the kind
asciilifeform: it's a 100% solved, in the mathematical sense, problem.
asciilifeform: the only seekrit ingredient missing is some way to actually lay the physical circuit down.
asciilifeform: it's 100% spade
asciilifeform: i'd buy a 8192b-reg mips right nao.
asciilifeform: thinkbig.
asciilifeform: 8192!
asciilifeform: 1980s algo, from the days of 1uMism.
asciilifeform: ( it doesn't win 'vs pc' other than as proof of concept )
asciilifeform: quasi-relatedly: asciilifeform found out that it is actually possible to fit an rsatron into ice40, if one uses a bit-serial multiplier into external sram. a 4096x4096 mul would then take 8192 clock cycles ( 16384 if counting all load/stores. ) but we can come back to this item laters.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu earlier emboldened asciilifeform into a 'let's slow but working rsatron sooner, rather than eternal massage, why not massage later' approach.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can give concrete estimate week from nao.
asciilifeform: there isn't very much remaining, fwiw: 1) evaluation of ave1's gnat (ch12) 2) barrett 3) miller-rabin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma give one once finished reloading thing into head
asciilifeform: pretty great battlefield test for cuntoo, imho
asciilifeform: ( mine is equipped with a rather questionable 2010s freebsd )
asciilifeform: ideally would deploy these with cuntoo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: non-usgistic fw for ye olde 'edgerouter' box. asciilifeform has a duct-taped version in use locally, mircea_popescu had idea where it gets cleaned up and offered to e.g. pizarro for packet-filter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's in the pipe, directly behind http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868640 ☝︎
asciilifeform: seems like
asciilifeform: the list of open problems is kilometre-length, d00d could start actually doing sumthing any time he can be arsed
asciilifeform: ( they're a lower-current / flatter ver. of crt, really )
asciilifeform: never thought it would, but here it is.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, display-burn is ~coming back~, the 'oled' panels suffer from it
asciilifeform: ( doubled as a heater, at one time i lived in a flat where they didn't stoke the boiler till december )
asciilifeform: ( yes it displayed pine. all day, erry day... )
asciilifeform: i threw out a crt coupla yrs ago, with 'pine' burn-in
asciilifeform: was ~perfect in erry way
asciilifeform: possibly others existed, but i only ever used 'pine'
asciilifeform: 'pine', 'elm'
asciilifeform: 0 useful to show for it
asciilifeform: trinque: i spent moar time trying to make it go than i'd care to admit
asciilifeform: for reliable delivery apparently gotta use their aol^H^Hmicroshi^H^Hgmail etc
asciilifeform: erry other time, fails silently