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mircea_popescu: it is ALSO answerable, except not in certain ways. from a particular solipsistic position,
the "probability" of
there existing such a
thing as a cube of bronze is just as remote as
the probability of
there existing a cube of antimatter
the same size.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes "made of human fat" is answerable.
the problem is - everything's made of human fat. much more important a question is,
to use ballas' exceptionally apt
terminology for
the matter, "is
this an impossible fantasy
to be pursued at
the expene of your labour and your life" ?
the lori gottlieb question.
mircea_popescu: ie,
that
the cow is
the product of someone nursing a veal ; whereas
the rifle wasn't nursed from pistolhood.
the joke's a joke, but "your" car and "your" chunk of copper aren't
the same
thing.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between cow and rifle. other
than
the objectively obvious and in general.
mircea_popescu: title, as a convenient fiction in common parlance, nevertheless
translates a deep and important ontological difference.
mircea_popescu: mno.
title as understood by idiots is a convenient fiction, much like santa-the-gift-giver is a convenient fiction.
this fiction does not mean it's a good idea
to be a bad kiddy, in either case.
mircea_popescu: ie, one doesn't improve matter he doesn't hold
title
to.
mircea_popescu: and
the deep reason
title is
the problem is
this :
that my own slavegirl, i will beat. but random whore, i will not.
mircea_popescu: the minor difference
that NO ONE ELSE has
title on
the first
two, and supposedly
the lady on
the
third, is not germane
to YOUR position.
mircea_popescu: you have no
title over any minerals, not anymore you have it over bitcoin, or
that lady's purse.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 11:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article, iirc, where 'when considering avg price of cars, do not also average in
the price of stolen cars sold in a hurry'
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511434 <<
this example doesn't work because when valuing "cars" one makes a deliberate exception of
the $15 cost of
the raw sheet metal going in.
there is no such
thing as minerals
that aren't also stolen cars. again for
the obvious reason - nobody's mommy picks molybden ingots from under her nails as normal part of morning hygiene.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: but, ~nothing keeps you from
taking
the oath and
then you'll know. and have no
time for anything else, included remembering why
the fuck you wanted
to know in
the first place. such is
the wonder.
mircea_popescu: ough as it is, with everyone lying
to everyone every chance
they get, as part and parcel of what economics IS,
this branch of cryptocurrency.)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 11:43 asciilifeform:
the above is why i never dug into
the 'pricing of energetics'
thing in detail - i find he subj quite similar
to, e.g., usg unemployment figures - i have no access
to
the seeeekrit evidence required
to cut away
the fiction from
the reality
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511429 << not as a civilian, and for
the very obvious reason. (or at least it should be obvious - past a few hundred or so, adding more "opinion"ators does not improve
the overall quality of
the resultant opinion, even if it increases
the costs of resulting it.which is also why "inclusive" programs always fail. so people
trying
to figure
this shit out really don't need anymore noise. good en
☝︎ mircea_popescu: a submarine doesn't drive, not like a car at any rate. a submarine is a lot closer
to a plane, ie, "a dot being moved on a graph". except
the plane has a much ampler bubble.
mircea_popescu: contrary
to what you might
think for unclear and i suspect unexamined reasons, finance is actually a quite sensible, rather complex and definitely satisfying art.
mircea_popescu: but no,
the 100 is not a
trend indicator, it's a situation indicator. long
term historical prices indicate
the
trend, future spot indicates
the short
term.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511426 << for ~the same reason you're invited
to not value cars by
the process of running down
the street in a gaggle of boys
this age yelling at
times "whoa
this is a good one, 250!" because
the car had a speedometer backing listing
that number.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 17:55 mircea_popescu: "i'll pay your son
to rape your wife with money
taken from your house" is
the byline of
the revolution.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511423 <<
this is a political choice,
the matter's discussed pluriously. hitler pays
the bill for "what he did" AND for what "he made us do". microshit has no way out of liability for
the same reason
the conclusion of 390 gaul campaign was not "a delegation of older women from each side got
together
to list each side's complaints and sufferances equally and wail
together".
☝︎ mats: you
tracking
this year's 'cyber grand challenge'?
mats: exercise, idk who
those people are
mod6: will certainly be revisiting all of
this in August.
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, ya,
thanks.
mod6: But if looking for a useful
task...
mod6: i've done
this before, I was saying in here, but.. it's been a good while since. Might be worth another gathering. If
that's a bit boring or whatever, don't worry, I can
tackle
this later.
mod6: however,
this is a decent opportunity
to go a head, build with
the build script, save all your
terminal output
to say a `script` into
typescript or whatever bash logging you wanna do, and gather up
the list of deps buildroot pulls so I can start
to climb
that mountain.
mod6: <+shinohai> I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and
try a build later with no internetz again <<
this /should/ fail. because buildroot won't be able
to pull all of its stuff down.
☟︎☟︎ shinohai: yeah i diddled
the sigs on each part and reran. Failed as expected
mod6: i was gonna do it late lasntight, but was getting
too late.
mod6: you already did all
that!? ^5
mod6: if
that stuff works well,
then will probably pass around for others
to
try before it's deed-ified
shinohai: ^ I actually did
this
to ensure I was getting correct sigs each
time.
mod6: so i need
to still do some negative
testing; i need
to kinda run
the script a section at a
time. and in each section, exiting after it pulls an artifact, diddle
the signature by hand on
the fs,
then resume;
this should cause
the signature check
to fail, and
the signature conditional
to exit
the script with an error as designed.
mod6: ah. yeah might still be some changes
to come if something doesn't pass
the
tests. so be prepared for
that eventuallity until V99994 is placed in deedbot.
shinohai: I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and
try a build later with no internetz again
☟︎ mod6: Previously we were checking
this, but I don't know if it was failing properly if
there was a bad sig.
mod6: So, yeah, added in
the pull of
the deeds,
the checking of
the sigs, uudecoded, and checked
the output hashes. not just on
the craptastic four; also put in explicit sig checking on
the rotor and V.
shinohai: Finished
the Ubuntu build before you got on, so yeah all working nice mod6
mod6: <shinohai> Got your
telegram, worked smooth.
Tested on Gentto and Debian, will update on Ubuntu. << hey
thanks!
mod6: hopefully we can get
those ones in, and work
towards getting
the whole wad frozen.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 yeah, i recall. << iirc,
there was a whole pile of
these second level deps. i seem
to remember
that at
the
time,
there wasn't a plan in place for how
to climb
the mountain
there. but with
the primary artifacts now deeded, we have a pattern.
trinque: hm odd, I've got something
to fix in deedbot's ghost logic. apparently ghost doesn't work if
the ghosted nick disconnects in between
the connection and ghost.
☟︎ shinohai: ty BingoBoingo ...
thestringpuller put me on more comedy lulz incoming
shinohai: ;;later
tell mod6 Got your
telegram, worked smooth.
Tested on Gentto and Debian, will update on Ubuntu.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 06:31 mircea_popescu:
this is a prime something
to cleave, somehow. it is a major limit of our world, much moreso
than "carbon" blabla or gravity. its unyielding pressure creates
the necessity of
the harem, for instance, and many
things.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 06:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of "deny". energy economics is a proper field, which you're welcome
to learn if you care, or not.
the behaviour you briefly engaged in is not unlike 15 yo alf
trying
to learn math by busting into brin sr's class and yelling "all functions are convex! prove me wrong!" really loudly.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 06:39 mircea_popescu:
that difference is perhaps best understood as
the difference between "find me
the real roots of f(x)" and "find me
the limit of f(x) with x->inf". different stories altogether.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-29 04:10
trinque: and for fucks sake
there is no such
thing as "the cost of fission power"