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mircea_popescu: <cazalla> ya know, over the past month i've been reading articles, there has been many fluff pieces that keep pushing this idea that bitcoin the technology is what is valuable and not the "currency" <<< yep. classic approach. "it's not the barrel that we're affraid of, it's the crazy shit stuck on all sides of rifle".
mircea_popescu: the general idea is that nobody who gets involved into something like this in any capacity and on any side survives. period.
mircea_popescu: which, if you recall, was o noes, 50% at some point and lo and behold, not a year later it is nothing.
mircea_popescu: well, the death of the previous hard fork (the one gavin & hearn created) happened through the cooperation of the meanwhile defunct 50btc guild.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at some point, perhaps, a major mine operator will be pwned and his crown jewels throw to the mob. then we can study live code. << why would anyone do that ? it's difficult to trust the authenticity of a stolen thing, which is why theft is not an acceptable source of evidence in legal proceedings
mircea_popescu: actually no, you're right, gotta follow their getworks
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: pool administrators determine block size, correct? << maximal.
mircea_popescu: it's impractical for the aliens to keep coming to dig holes where to dispose of the us consumer garbage.
mircea_popescu: undata: pretty ungrateful to call the guy retarded. << it's an act of love, you just don't know how the world works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: actual - doubtful << if i ever have to create you as a character, i'll have you watching the special olympics and then mutter to yourself "i wonder why they're trying to act handicaps"
mircea_popescu: direct application of "i have tried and therefore nobody should criticize me"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i just love how the krugman shitgnomes prattle on about the need for physical 'use-value' in currencies and then go on to bid on apple-1 pcbs and jackson pollack paintings << they are stupid and how dare you demand they be consistent!
mircea_popescu: which is why they're so attracted to software (it never fails)
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform is not equipped with the evidence needed to agree (or not) with 'it's mostly ok' << the problem with the mostly ok thing is that intelligent people tend to build but loathe to maintain.
mircea_popescu: jurov: more like "inevitably idiotically yapping around" << myeah.
mircea_popescu: " regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we dont do something very foolish"
mircea_popescu: anyway, you perhaps remember the history of how that plays out. after all, the tsar tried it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that's about three days before the random shootings of anyone known to be associated with usg start.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: >Increasingly scientists think there should be some regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we dont do something very foolish. <<< like you know, turn everything on its head, making current arrangements obsolete
mircea_popescu: this may require particular grips, depending on how the lever happen to be constructed. the hands will adjust.
mircea_popescu: no, the political goal is to allow people who are interested in doing things the right way at the levers where things are done the right way.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes technical choice ? these are all political choices.
mircea_popescu: and the people trying to hire you to review their code would crowd the shit out of the only buyer currently,
mircea_popescu: moreover, by putting the sexy back into reading code, it actually directly addresses the problem. currently people only read shit AFTER a bug was found.
mircea_popescu: my model will allow a specific list to be created. this was read in fact by 5468 people. these ones :
mircea_popescu: the entire "foss is better because read by millions of eyes" fetish needs to be put to rest already. opportunity does not equal actualisation.
mircea_popescu: between these two, the budged for recruiting pencildicks goes from constant to hilbert's hotel.
mircea_popescu: and i want the record of accidental "dropped on my toe" events recorder permanently.
mircea_popescu: i would like the difference between "dropped plate on my toe" and "fell on naked woman holding her heels while naked" to be obvious to the naked eye
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the only thing. "we print money, and you can pretend you just fell on her while your pants were off"
mircea_popescu: in short : it makes the cost of nsa covert ops in foss go from O(log(t)) all the way up to P,N
mircea_popescu: was it an honest mistake ? was it a nsa sponsored shitjob ? etc.
mircea_popescu: the difference is huge, because when a bug like the numerous bugs in openssl/bash/etc pops up in the open
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the current X Y only so-called open source thing going on atm.
mircea_popescu: X submitted this, Y merged it, K L M N K and Q read and approve.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: considering [blabla] you probably did not need to do the live-fire test. << stom motherfucking corrupting the youth!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks. <<< yay wd.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ? << the idea is to stop these persnickety machienes from validating the blockchain at all.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have no idea, it could be done that way too
mircea_popescu: if you're not willing to sign the present signs you;'d better fork.
mircea_popescu: anyway. p and q are primes. p-1 and p-1 being necessarily even, will probably have some factors. these factors could just as well be 65537
mircea_popescu: stop trying to confuse me just because i have nfi of anything!
mircea_popescu: "pick 32 onbit 64bit random numbers, test for cd" is a much better approach
mircea_popescu: (and for that matter, it IS quite fucking possible for the current, fixed e implementation to spit out badly coded stuff every once in a blue moon, when the p q happen to be a multiple of 65537)