asciilifeform: imho letting auction carry on even tho the auctioned item already left the house , is playing with fire☟︎
asciilifeform: cuz if it doesn't, the toast had better fully toast, or we're living in sin imho
asciilifeform: mod6: can't think of any ( but does the bot have an actual cancel-toast button ? )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i can think of 1 industrial tool that is, to a degree, 'reversible' in the thermodynamic sense, even ~after~ finger went in. the thread cutter. standard instruction , if idjit gets his finger in, is to get him to stay put while the thing is slowly put in reverse, then ends up only with heavy bruise, rather than skinned (if pulled straight out)
asciilifeform: ( 'stop' button on toaster is still a lol, thing has power cord, and i can't picture why you would want to cut the current faster than it takes to yank the cord, it ain't a saw )
asciilifeform: i dun think there even ~is~ a power tool that dun fit the 'paradigmatic enthalpic process' formulation
asciilifeform: ( i'm completely willing to believe that the part that actually disgorges dough to the 'customers' is off , tho have not had any occasion to try it with own hands, i dun exactly qualify )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ipnoje cuts at 30-40 cols last i knew
asciilifeform: recall the ancient usenet lul: went something like 'exam. in 8 minutes a hungry tiger will be admitted to exam room. you will find the 11 parts of the rifle under your desk. any questions'
asciilifeform: lol didja rot13 the 2nd half or wat was it
asciilifeform: ( ~nonexistent, interestingly, in gringolandia )
asciilifeform: tuica is a++ smooth, asciilifeform attests
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: near as i can tell, the usual skypeism
asciilifeform: most 'eprom attack' focuses on angle of 'read back the seekrit config', sumthing that doesn't really affect device where config is published already
asciilifeform: (or simply switcheroo for fresh board in the mail etc)
asciilifeform: q is whether can 'restore virginity' and load in new config; and whether this is actually easier than simply soldering on a fresh one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: errything cooks if you heat it enuff, lol
asciilifeform: currently i have no approach to determining experimentally, which it is.
asciilifeform: the 'can't read with optics' does suggest possibility of actual otp tho.
asciilifeform: i have nfi if ice's thing boosts longevity, chances are their 'OTP' is implemented the same way as errybody else's, nowadays, simply a nonwindowed EPROM.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. classic FG , is only 'upgradeable' because xilinx doesn't offer an otp chip )
asciilifeform: potentially saves a coupla bux on board cost, at the very least.
asciilifeform: ( the promisetronics with 'difficult to read with microscope, believe!11' thing is, as i gather, for the various folx in the biz of loading $circuit into fpga and selling 'as asic' , it isn't of great interest to asciilifeform in particular )
asciilifeform: in other notes from last wk's dig, turns out that ice40 contains onboard otp rom , enuff to store whole config ( somehow i read the docs '9000' times prev. and missed this ).
asciilifeform: ( recall the ancient trb flow chart thread )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's esp. egregious imho that gcc dun do this, it has the AST internally, could disgorge. ( gnat fixes some of this 'dun disgorge', it puts some raw structure in the .ali intermediate crapola for 'gnathtml' etc to read )
asciilifeform: but beats the shit out of hand-grep imho.
asciilifeform: phf: it's definitely not perfect, e.g. why the FUCK is FFA_FZ_ZeroP not clickable ?
asciilifeform: phf: the default view ( http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch11/ ) of gnathtml gives you a frames thing with ~worthless alphabetic index in the left pane. really it oughta show 'where currently clicked symbol used' imho
asciilifeform: i think phf grasps what i was talking about.
