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mp_en_viaje: (clean rooms "clean
themselves" because air is maintained at positive pressure inside, so whatever particles aren't sucked into
the filters get spilled out
the doors etc.
the whole
trick is
to not get
them
TOO dirty in
the first place, which "too" starts at ppb [parts-per-billion] in some cases, hence all
the funny shoe covers etc)
mp_en_viaje: in a sense,
this is
the marketable strength of
the whole approach, "you know what
the difference is between your rural summer kitchen and my clean room operation ?
this latter
thing cleans itself kekekekex!!!"
mp_en_viaje: hence my comment, "never seen
this done" etc.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, agreed re. server pre/post-processing split. prolly can be done in php
too, but manually, or otherwise with significant work from author
mp_en_viaje: rather
than "just some dumb shit oversmart grad students use
to fuck
themselves with".
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: and
the obvious answer is "because
they are SO FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT, it's worth one's
time". which is obvious
to
the familiar mind, but probably a significant bar
towards getting a php-er
to
think lisp may be interesting.
mp_en_viaje: anyway,
the obvious question (from
the php-mind) re
the split would be "why", buttressed by
the observation
that "if you're gonna do any page processing at all, you wanna start after all
the symbols you can possibly want
to use have resolved.
this is why php ~starts~ work on a pile of code AFTER
things such as "calling user ip" is a known quantity : so you don't end up with
two phases, one of which being stuck with undefined symbols
the 2nd will
spyked:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/goXZ4/?raw=true <-- macroexpanded "hello world" example of cl-who.
the second coad is what's executed when generating page;
the first is what I have
to write.
the second indeed looks like salad
to untrained eye, but otherwise maps 100%
to cl-who constructs
spyked: i
think it's safer
to say
that cl-who is a compiler from a particular set of s-expr into html. and looking at my (yet-again convoluted!) explanation, I can now distinctly remember
that most debugging issues I've had were caused by not understanding
the language.
mp_en_viaje: so basically you split
the www server processing into
two phases, pre-processing and post-processing (time0 being
the client call)
spyked: mp_en_viaje, I'm confusing some
things in my explanation, namely html (as outputted by
that coad) and
the S-expr-html representation in cl-who.
the
two are separate, and
this meta-embedded is done with
the latter and is used
to separate code macro-processed by cl-who from code
that executes when
the page is generated.
mp_en_viaje: did
that kiss of death of a pompous piece of shit ever come up with something ? forget about "coinlab not launching any product". has graham's derpy scam launched anything in
the 5 or so years since anyone even looked
to laugh at
them ?
mp_en_viaje: i
think
the problem here is mostly
that i have nfi what i'm
talking about.
spyked: mp_en_viaje,
the lisp-in-html-in-lisp... occurs at macroexpansion
time.
the result is Lisp code
that
takes input and outputs html. human operator's main job is
to distinguish which part of
the
template is html, and which does mechanical work (e.g.
taking rows from a db and putting
them into page)
mp_en_viaje: anyway, re deep you should see
the latest lines in budapest.
the escalators give out dizzyspells.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, yeah, paris metro is pretty cool. sadly
the city around it fell apart, but what can you do.
mp_en_viaje: maybe i misunderstand what you're saying ; but imo php and perl have little functionally
to do with each other, people identify
them
through
their disdain, and by "people" i mean people whose locus is bash.
the people whose locus is excel/virtual basic or w/e don't.
mp_en_viaje: spyked, i don'
t think i've ever seen php
that generates html
that is interpreted as php
that spits out html.
spyked:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-05#1921771 <-- it's how html
templating/pre-processing usually works, you embed one language into
the other. php is perl (or whatever) interleaved with html; cl-who is very similar, only without
the leaky abstractions, i.e. html
trees are represented as s-exprs and can be correctly manipulated as such
☝︎ diana_coman: the striking difference re bucharest esp was simply
that
tube in Bucharest is /was clearly made for medium-long distance, a "cross
the gridlocked centre" sort of
thing while
the one in Paris was
to a large extent for short distance (or at least most lines i.e.
there are some, fewer "express" lines)
diana_coman: I
think it was one X with some concentric circles + north-south and east-west lines but I never really studies
the map in a lot of detail
mp_en_viaje: possibly by looking at chinese plans for future development
too much
mp_en_viaje: i dunno
tbh how i got
this idea in my head.
mp_en_viaje: i
thought "holy shit,
this is
the most antique insane
thing leftover"
mp_en_viaje: i
thought
that;'s so fucking nutty, i even photographed it in budapest
mp_en_viaje: but i mean
they just loop, neh ? doesn't actually switch at end of line, just loops around
mp_en_viaje: i dunno i ever noticed line switching.
that's... kinda dumb neh ?
mp_en_viaje: nowere do
the lines ACTUALLY cross. warsaw blue line is under red line. minsk red under blue. etc. you wanna interconnect, get off use escalator.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not even persuaded it's a bad idea. if you only have dough for
that
track length, making a cross possibly optimal load. and if not constrained by historical idiocy, like budapest with its 1898 lines look like
they were dug by moles, might as well just make a proper grid, #
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz : most slavorc
towns have metro systems consisting of a big X on
the map
mp_en_viaje: cuz yeah,
totally, yurp and america, similar road / mass
transit networks.
mp_en_viaje: (there's different place where i explain
that romanian "business owner" ie rotto in culo making 5k/year hussing
the street has no business owning car.
THEREFORE I CONTRADICT SELF!!!
mp_en_viaje: amusing rotard hanger-on was just complaining about it, as it happens, "because he has detected my hypocrisy", or however it works in
their brains
mp_en_viaje: did not particularly feel like slumming it
tonite.
mp_en_viaje: not even sport, not like i fucked anyone. was for blogging, you know,
to draw a map gotta draw
the limits. just like math analysis, go for
the remarkable points of inflection etc.
mp_en_viaje: as someone having run such, i know what
to look for.
mp_en_viaje: some
things sell
the steak, some
things sell
the sizzle. hotels, bars, whorehouses, etc --
these sell
the sizzle,
there's no steak
there.
mp_en_viaje: i WILL however ditch "luxury boutique hotel" across
the way from construction yard.
mp_en_viaje: would have ~gone in~ if saw gate worth going
through. stayed, not necessarily.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, because whoring is not an industry ?
the girls don't make axles in
there, you realise, it's not cnc milling
mp_en_viaje: unless
they make
their dough at
the gas station, i guess.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, except mp_en_viaje came by car, left by car
the next minute. gotta make mp get out of car yes ?
mp_en_viaje: by
their websites you'd
think
they rebuilt glory days las vegas ; but when you get
there it looks more like some over-excited 11th graders got a hold of a dad's computer.
mp_en_viaje: the casinos,
those are monumental and marquee up in lights
the side of
the building. but apparently whorehouses occur in someone's garage.
mp_en_viaje: so we opt out, go for 2nd best. it is a... well i dunno, basically looked like a bus stop in
the distance.
mp_en_viaje: ate (very nice food, "friendship" pectopan in friendship park, a++ beerhouse, great soup great snitzel etc) ;
then went for
the "moulin rouge",
top best cathouse-cunnyshack. driver
takes us
to a... well... i dunno, construction yard ? narrow dark alley betwen a concrete wall and some metal panes delimiting an earthy ditch.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, i spent
the weirdest friday night out in memory
a111: Logged on 2017-06-08 15:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't comment on ro emigres, but with su world
there was a lulzy
twist : 1st wave (1970s -- largely j000z!11) wrote home, 'i'ma full professor and it rocks, come on over', 2nd wave went,
to discover
that market -- glut, and hello cab
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, as near as i can
tell plan was never
to "use" in any meaningful sense, certainly not anything beyond "these are '''winners'''' of
tournament market, aspire, aspire, aspire!"
mp_en_viaje: whatever, if all
the morons
that actually want
to live in
the us gather in washington
to populate usg zoos,
the world will be better,