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phf: ben_vulpes: like clockwork. i will do the tmsr thing and claim that wreckers are blackholing teh server
ben_vulpes: "There's a possibility they may not be the only ones that are doing this, but right now we feel if they are the only ones that are doing this, with this arrest we hope we will be able to curb the amount of thefts occurring," said Woods. << quote i'd meant to drop last night re the carlol
trinque: 230 lines now with maybe 100 of that being nickserv logic I haven't deleted yet
trinque: broke all the code for the commands into their own thing which interacts with the db
trinque: the thing just establishes a connection and shits messages into db, reads messages to send from db
trinque: all problems mine has involve the various nickserv states; sasl auth solves that
trinque: asciilifeform: I mean perfect in the latter sense
asciilifeform: there is precious little of the latter extant.
asciilifeform: trinque: naggum expounded on the difference between the 2 basic types of program (and program-writer) - the 'exam-taking', 'solved problem!11 i'm done!' and 'reusable, readable, for the ages'
trinque: relatedly I've read cl-irc and the thing is a haphazard mess
trinque: right now after I issue AUTHENTICATE PLAIN the thing times out
trinque: if I can get sasl to work I will have an afaik perfect bot
jurov: yea, no two C++people can agree on common string implementation.
asciilifeform: cpp is unusable on its own, ergo the babel.
BingoBoingo: Pretty much the only reason any Americans still have "their" cars appears to be that their cars suck
asciilifeform: seems perfect for car thief
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Usually mounted to truck frame under truck bed, or inside truck bed. Instead of toolboxes composing sides of bed as on "friendly" tows, most repos no have factory bed of lookalike
asciilifeform: 'In some states, making a clean, quiet repo isn't just a safety matter, it's a legal necessity. Some state laws require that all repos happen without creating a "breach of the peace." That means that if the owner notices the repo in progress and comes out of the house yelling and screaming, the repo agent can't legally repossess the car. Of course, it's in the repo man's best interest to avoid a scene like this, but how?'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: repo tends to have business end hidden and quickly self loads vehicle onto carriage.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's the physical diff b/w 'repo' truck and conventional tow ?
mircea_popescu: i was just trying to get BingoBoingo 's links and noticed.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, the https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7910/files ('segwit') crapolade is still going strong in prbland.
mircea_popescu: so i think i invented a new cocktail. you cut up a fresh ripple pineapple, into small chunks. you pour an inch of fine cognac into an old style whiskey glass. you proceed to dip the chunks and eat them.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what, i wonder, are the stats for u.s. car repo ? << Behold how normal the repo trucks look now! Some even have boring original factory truck bed!!! http://www.ebay.com/bhp/repo-wrecker
mircea_popescu: in which sense, while mediatory strategies exist, working through modifying the environment - the fact that it needs modifying has not been resolved ; and so the genotype is still shitty.
mircea_popescu: it can't mean anything more/above that ; there's no absolute shitty.
mircea_popescu: "shitty" in this context strictly means "inadequate to current circumstance"
mircea_popescu: there is that, yes.
asciilifeform: (e.g., the infamous tapeworm cure for allergy)
mircea_popescu: what's the mechanism for allergies ? shitty immune system. how about autism ? etc.
mircea_popescu: the reason is that nature explores in the male not in the female ; and consequently there's much more variance in the male than in the female ; and because they're all kept alive...
asciilifeform: would dearly like to learn why
mircea_popescu: note that it's VASTLY a more common problem for boys, and ~in civilsiation~ than it is for girls.
asciilifeform: other than incontinent invalids, infants
asciilifeform: i just realized that i have 0 idea who pisses bed and why
mircea_popescu: most genetically-sane kids don't ever piss the bed.
asciilifeform: refrain from bed piss, pay tax...
mircea_popescu: which is dangerous, because if she's picked as well as orwell's dumb whore of a mother picked, the derp won't even try it he sucks so bad.
mircea_popescu: her intent is that if she manages, your father won't have to kill you.
mircea_popescu: what's the intent of your mother teaching you to not piss the bed ?
asciilifeform: 'what was the intent of the education'
asciilifeform: you don't distinguish, the difference is a conventional one, 'colour of bits'
mircea_popescu: have you been brainwashed into disbelieving there's as many points in a line as in a plane ?
asciilifeform: aaactually you can get quite a bit of 'bang for the buck' purely with internalized 'enforcement', i.e. brainwash.
mircea_popescu: eventually a "king's representative" showed up, and this event marks the end of the classical period, and the start of the modern, ie decay.
mircea_popescu: more to the point, the "classical village" is an entity that survived fine with a dazzling array of law and regulation that a) exceeds in complexity modern codes and b) was entirely oral in nature while at the same time having... no police. at all, i mean. none. zip.
mircea_popescu: yes but this is entirely an unexamined opinion.
asciilifeform: i always pictured 'church' as a sort of animal that lives in the cracks of 'state'
mircea_popescu: but go ahead, illustrate this difference between "a state" and "a church", i'm all ears.
mircea_popescu: then again i spent some time dripping wax on bare tits in 5 century old euro churches, also.
mircea_popescu: hey, i spent some time with that.
asciilifeform: all quite similar in this respect.
mircea_popescu: lol the difference is no different. mmmmmkay then!
mircea_popescu: the difference between "don't ever fuck a girl in this building, nor drip candle wax on her bare tits while she kneels on this particular wood plank" is no different from "don't call fat people niggers and don't park where that drawing is"
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense of any ethics (ie, an attempt to implement morals) is equal to any other.
asciilifeform: in the sense where all arbitrary convention (and the division of the celestial-terrestrial magisteria thing is quite arbitrary thing) is hallucination.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the church-state difference is entirely hallucinatory in nature.
mircea_popescu: but the problem is that even here the republic wins : the tax it collects is an optimum on the capital allocation curve
asciilifeform: more church than state.
mircea_popescu: this is important. qualitatively it is exactly as much a state as any usg flavour. the discussion may be carried in quantitative terms,
asciilifeform: imho tmsr 'tax' is more closely analogous to church tithe.
mircea_popescu: the republic manages to extract tax without a tax extractor.
mircea_popescu: let's carry the discussion in terms of tax, always and everywhere the most nevralgic point of the statal model.
asciilifeform: just as tax collection was subcontracted.
asciilifeform: without law enforcement in the modern (e.g., 18th c. brit) sense, yes.
mircea_popescu: notably republican tax is collected w/o an irs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mno. law can exist without "law enforcement". to equate the two is very much part of the statal delusion.
asciilifeform: there is, say, folks waltzing around and shakin' down folks on the street for their lunch money. and state wants this privilege for itself, yes.
mircea_popescu: anyone know of a better/more intuitive manner of handling metasyntactic marks so as to not run into http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-08-06.log.html#t15:22:52 ?
asciilifeform: seems tautological
asciilifeform: well how else? what kind of 'law breaker' is there without law ??
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the state likes to claim, it is always "law enforcement" that creates "the criminal element" ; never the other way around. first there was a police, then there was a "law breaker"
mircea_popescu: ie, what street toughs will there be once there's no policemen ?
mircea_popescu: in general tehnologeala weakens the consumer ; advantages the gangster. except of course in practice it works to split the gangster into levels of consumerism.
asciilifeform: automatic car has circus-level potential for lulz, via induced laziness in 1,001 types of people - say, what kind of policeman might there be, once a routine arrest consists of instructing arrestee's car to take him to clink instead of work the next morning
mircea_popescu: slight improvement over current state of the art.
mircea_popescu: can't say i'm entirely opposed to the idea. then i can just log into facebook backend, direct selected womenz to preferred fuckpad ?
asciilifeform: i can already picture sad sacks banging on the doors of mercedes in their driveways, tears
asciilifeform: and go to new owner
asciilifeform: the logical end is that the self-driving car will simply take off
mircea_popescu: "i'm not. they stole it."
mircea_popescu: "this is a car sold without the intent of its owner". to answer the perennial tyre-kicking question of "so why're you selling it"
mircea_popescu: so frequent in fact the manufacturers introduced a special category of "not new, but as-new" to cover for it.
asciilifeform: or judgement against him, or tax lien, or, or
mircea_popescu: i used to regularly humiliate them for their sheer ignorance, back in the days i almost cared.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's an academy. it is very much vessenes-style ; and always has been.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, not most of them, because intelligent people are lazy and cowardly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do they have a french-style 'academy of the language' in ro ?
mircea_popescu: (in other lulz : ro admits both technologie and technologeala as imports for "technology". the first is commonly used ; the latter is a portmanteau of tech and ologeala, which is the noun describing the "fact of having been made olog, ie, unable to walk". quite appropriately.)
asciilifeform: most of'em? at this point?
asciilifeform: what, i wonder, are the stats for u.s. car repo ?
asciilifeform: how, one wonders, did they tout the 'master key over bluetooth' or wtf is in there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good thing they "solved" the old mechanical lock problems then huh! viva progess & technology.
asciilifeform: 'The two men apparently used a laptop and pirated software to start the vehicles and take off. HPD said the vehicles made it into Mexico. ... HPD said it's nearly impossible to stop this high-tech crime especially if someone else has the same pirated software.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a certain amount of rng load can be moved to server end (rekeying on that end, and ciphers new session key to pubkey of client, which was presumably generated at his leisure and is adequately entropic)
mircea_popescu: in other news holy shit ffmpeg is a fine example of how not to do a -h switch. it overruns default terminal buffer!
mircea_popescu: possiblyt the most abused vernam cypher in history.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your call, because the matter is quite acute : is it a safer system to demand 8kb entropy/second and hash 12 times ? or to demand say 128bytes/second and hash 768 times ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, as long as the input isn't actually fucking 0... maybe urandom can survive with this.
mircea_popescu: if we actually go with a 12-pass hashing method, this then will require > 8kb of entropy/second from the client, which isn't possibru without dedicated rng fountain.