asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 'i spent escrowed coins to cure sick grandmother' == scamming.

asciilifeform: (aside from, say, armed robbery - but was any such thing alleged ?)

asciilifeform: it is rather like talking to ninjashogun. i personally would like some of the time i wasted on it, back...

asciilifeform: so, supposing pete_dushenski did not dream this while on lsd, it ~was~ purchased by scammer.

asciilifeform: it is iirc the most recent mention of bbet here.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: did the 'bbet payouts halted after shitfinex incident' thing resolve, btw ?

asciilifeform: '... Who can remove his outer coat? Who can approach him with a double bridle? Who can open the doors of his face, With his terrible teeth all around? His rows of scales are his pride, Shut up tightly as with a seal; One is so near another That no air can come between them; They are joined one to another, They stick together and cannot be parted.' << dune sandworm!

asciilifeform: apportion him among the merchants?'

asciilifeform: 'Can you draw out Leviathan[a] with a hook, Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower? Can you put a reed through his nose, Or pierce his jaw with a hook? Will he make many supplications to you? Will he speak softly to you? Will he make a covenant with you? Will you take him as a servant forever? Will you play with him as with a bird, Or will you leash him for your maidens? Will your companions make a banquet of him? Will they

asciilifeform: ( since gabriel_laddel thread i can never again be certain, whether typo is typo or deep barb of some sort )

asciilifeform: or wait, that was different lord.

asciilifeform: well odin did slay the yottin

asciilifeform: eh i suppose it is no worse than the rest of it.

asciilifeform: for the record.

asciilifeform: this may be subjective thing wholly. maybe trinque can learn to like living in anthill, without cheese or chix with visible tits. i have nfi.

asciilifeform: but i will say that there ~is~, to me.

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were awake, he might say sumthinglike 'nothing human is foreign to me', etc.

asciilifeform: understand, if elephant is being devoured by ants, it does not necessarily follow that anthill is a 'great place to live' for elephant - or lion, or the other animals watching.

asciilifeform: and dun expect things such as cheese, or trees, or being considered for work outside yer clan wot

asciilifeform: provided yer born there

asciilifeform: i was recently reading about 'oilite', a type of self-lubricating bronze, that is still made in usa. the factory where it was originally produced, owned by chrysler corp., lived in the '30s. today it is a ruin, rats live in it. oilite is still made, in usa, but for how long - i have nfi, at some point it will become difficult to find people who will follow the ritual (yes, to savages, industry is ritual) and it will sail off to china ☟︎

asciilifeform: there was a... nearly incomprehensibly titanic 'battery charge' of ingenuity, sanity, and plain simple 'ant' (vs 'grasshopper') accumulated delayed gratification, that is now being maggoted through.

asciilifeform: even the ads. in particular, the ads. ☟︎

asciilifeform: exhibits, graphically, this fact.

asciilifeform: the particular spot, understand, where delusion turns to scorched flesh.

asciilifeform: trinque: i know this. but am interested presently in where it interfaces with physical reality. ☟︎

asciilifeform: we have nearly all of these, here.

asciilifeform: another is - also done here - to confiscate savings.

asciilifeform: trinque: there are many ways to keep folks from putting undue strain on shrinking industrial base. one is to simply prevent saving.

asciilifeform: not much of a spoiler if i say that the devaluations did not work! tyres and other seemingly mundane 'shop' goods still had to be allocated in gnarly and entirely nonmarkety ways.

asciilifeform: so the cash had to be collected from people , in occasional mass batches, to relieve strain on scarce supply of x-en.

asciilifeform: and 1,000,001 things.

asciilifeform: which might otherwise strain already painfully limited supply of, e.g., auto tyres.

asciilifeform: it was how they emptied the mattresses.

asciilifeform: trinque do you know, e.g., why devaluations of the ruble were a bi-decennial, regular thing in su ?

asciilifeform: nor do i expect to find out, unless mircea_popescu reveals tidbits.

asciilifeform: i know a few things re (1) - e.g., cash confiscations.

asciilifeform: i am quite interested in the mechanisms whereby 1) goldmansachs usd are prevented from transmuting into turkey usd 2) plebes wielding turkey usd are restrained from putting unendurable pressure on supplies of limited resources, of the sort which lead to shortages and visible collapse. ☟︎

asciilifeform: but typically it is depicted as 'this-way'

asciilifeform: but it is not clear, at least to me, that debased currency is a ~cause~ rather than ~symptom~ of cultural decay. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-11#1518369 << see also re 'inflation hormesis' as analogous to same in radiation. ☝︎

asciilifeform: (it was not wholly impossible to 'leak' pre-btc, either..)

asciilifeform: nor do i have any notion of what ultimately controls the rate of such leakage.

asciilifeform: but this is not exhaustive catalogue.

asciilifeform: i and anyone else can point to a few obvious 'financial memory leaks' - e.g., folks borrowing against 'their' house , buying btc, and rocketing off to mars.

asciilifeform: i.e. i am satisfied that there ~is~ one, but have nfi re particulars (hormesis, say, is a thing.)

asciilifeform: rather like the relation between hbomb tests and cancer rate

asciilifeform: the relationship between the 'goldman sachs printed another trillion' kind of inflation, and this weimar one, is - at least to my savage and primitive mind - a murky one

asciilifeform: the moar interesting parameter is , if you will, 'meta' inflation, it being the rate at which the soup quotient in the soup cans shrinks, the rate at which respectable folk eat soup from cans to begin with - climbs, the plastic in the machine gears increases to 100%, etc.

asciilifeform: what of it. just as meaningless, to office plankton, as the diff b/w being sentenced to 100 vs 200 years without parole.

asciilifeform: which in practical terms simply means that now plebe has to indenture himself for 50, not 20, years, when 'buying' his cardboard boxhouse ☟︎

asciilifeform: most of the printolade, at least in so far as is visible to public naked eye, went into real estate racket

asciilifeform: the more interesting q is the rate of leakage into turkey-dollars.

asciilifeform: rather than from some novel bush-era malady.,

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519816 << not this, but simply observation that usa has been slowly sinking, since - at the very latest, even - fdr. ☝︎

asciilifeform: but usually it ends with 'and then i drank myself to sleep in front of tv.'

asciilifeform: now ~sometimes~ the story ends with 'judge found that 'quiet enjoyment' includes 1,001 crying babies at 3am' or the like.

asciilifeform: two available resolutions to this, either four dudes also said 'shut yer trap or there will be problems', and ~everybody~ shut, or...

asciilifeform: the story never seems to end with 'i filed suit # .... and then four dudes in black van came and told me to withdraw or there will be problems'

asciilifeform: 'nuffin, watched tv, sad there sad'

asciilifeform: 'so city hall told you to fuck off, what didja do next?'

asciilifeform: a great many 'atrocity stories' from u.s. folk fit this description, on close thought

asciilifeform: methinks this is simply the 'tech supports keeps you waiting for 5 minutes', feynman's postbox, bit.

asciilifeform: what's the case # ?

asciilifeform: what happens if he finds the form , on the net, and files it ?