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asciilifeform: why not also this.
asciilifeform: hey, if they can also ignore chinese subs having rocket target practice off california beach, in sight of tourists
mircea_popescu: (but yes, the fact that the dos did NOT put into obama's files the observation that the "labour" dispute in silicon valley was chinese driven test run is exactly the sort of thing that feeds my spite for the whole of usg as a "state". it's a state like a collection of mahjongg players is a state.)
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-23#891851 << thread, for whoever missed ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: the us already proved it's willing to do anything for sv lobby, and so the chinese are drip feeding the "capitalists" and waiting.
asciilifeform: recall the ftdi incident ?
mircea_popescu: the us is weak ; it has already proved its unwillingness to pursue in the field ; their only response ("we'll ban the faux items at border") is exceptionally inadequate here : you'll get left behind by tech train if oyu do.
asciilifeform: other trend is that quite soon no one will want american design, stolen or not.
mircea_popescu: these forces may well combine into a major trend.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the big thing with this faux fpga thing is that it's very cheap. the much more important smaller thing is that it makes it god damned easy to steal usian ip.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : when management starts talking about "current market" it's time to sell. they've lost all contact.)
mircea_popescu: the one thing that never can exist is the current market.
mircea_popescu: well, it is possible on the basis of the observable data the chinese are coming to your view.
asciilifeform: recall, i ~like~ fpga, and if it were my will, it would be the only logic chip produced, and anyone who 'needs' ddr3 clock can get phucked
mircea_popescu: so yeah. there's all sorts of things at play here.
mircea_popescu: hence why i say drones. you recall the thread ? with "air fence"| for olympics ?
asciilifeform: (in fact it was the example i gave in the original thread concerning it, re a 'final solution' to subj.)
asciilifeform: fpga is quite like the semiconductor equiv. of '3d printer'.
mircea_popescu: for instance, if the product is nato-free comms drone, then yes it might well be
mircea_popescu: yes but it also depends what the product actually is.
asciilifeform: none of this, i thought, is controversial.
asciilifeform: other point was that it is quite rare to see fpga deployed in mass produced product, because it has inescapably large per-unit cost compared to classical asic. it makes economic sense for small runs (<100,000) and for items which actually need the reconfigurability.
mircea_popescu: so then the correct statement would have been "it's not clear yet if it'll ever be useful", with which i agree, not "it can't happen".
mircea_popescu: well it's unclear what the fuck it'll be, but it's pretty evident, at least to me, that the chinese ARE trying to erode the whole xilinx tower of ip.
asciilifeform: point was not 'it is rubbish', but that you cannot build, e.g., trinary comp, with it.
mircea_popescu: do you see where the "oh i know how these assholes are cheating their customers" and "oh chinese have no economic incentive" do not communicate in your head ?
asciilifeform: anyway metal fpga is great, i'll take ten right now if it's a dime.
mircea_popescu: look, it's not a value judgement on you. i'm interested in the process.
mircea_popescu: i get it why you think it's beneficial to be narrow minded. get it that this virtually never works to any sort of useful or interesting conclusion.
asciilifeform: it is in the l0gz.
asciilifeform: hey i actually nailed that prediction
mircea_popescu: which is the problem with your clue - it is an anticlue, fed by delusional notions of design purism with no practical exposure whatsoever. in meta-world "nobody buys" metallization fpga for miner asic. in real world, it makes a billion dollars in sales over 5 years, ie, more than ~any "proper" chip class.
asciilifeform: largely used for, or so all of the available clues suggest - deep-packet inspection iron.
asciilifeform: presently looking to see exactly ~whose~, the part is new.
asciilifeform: well i have the elementary clue re what device is used for, who buys, where it is a physico-economical win and where - not, etc.
mircea_popescu: whether you have or don't have a clue as to the economic process involved isn't related to my having or not having one. you can't simply run around turning any statement into any random converse, what sort of javascript is this!
mircea_popescu: again with this. one doesn't migrate into the other.
mircea_popescu: this being the problem : those aren't valid substitutes.
mircea_popescu: the bar for having a clue is owning and operating foundry, not being one of the monkeys foundry may at its leisure employ
asciilifeform: thing is that i actually have a clue here.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out which consists of "the world alligning to alf fantasy".
mircea_popescu: look : we keep "having these threads" where you keep sprouting nonsense about how you think the world works. we'll have them until either you give up on thinking you have a clue on these things ; or i get tired of it.
asciilifeform: just a sov-style copy of the silicon.
asciilifeform: of the kind we might find interesting.
asciilifeform: and if it were, they are happy to clone xilinx and ship pirate copy of the binary turdchain with it.
asciilifeform: chinese have 0 incentive to sell fpga.
asciilifeform: we had this thread.
mircea_popescu: yes. but the process itself is cheap, and the chinese will proceed to pirate. as per above.
asciilifeform: there is less now, rather than more, than decade ago
asciilifeform: and designer is asked to pay 'license' for EACH.
asciilifeform: ever see manual for, e.g., xilinx fpga? it is simply a mass of these turds.
asciilifeform: you still can't meet ddr timing spec with it.
mircea_popescu: thing is, given the tiny process now used, this is actually not such a terrible approach, for many projects.
asciilifeform: think 'bunch of misc. logical units, adders, shifters, etc. with plugboard' and you're 99% there.
asciilifeform: thing is, you get the clock rate of fpga. and same energy consumption. (~same propagation delays).
asciilifeform: it is ancient tech.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my 1986 symbolics 3620 was made out of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in principle if you make "generic" silicone you can then "fpga" it out of metal mask cuts
asciilifeform: expect to see it at your friendly local 3dprinterist, makemagazine, kickstartertronic, 'THE BEOBLE can MAEK anything!111' convention.
asciilifeform: in other noose, a new ( to me at least ) type of scamola : http://www.sifive.com << metallization mask level (minor tweaks to EXISTING design) thing, which dates to the late 1980s even, fraudulently being pushed now as 'custom silicon for all', lulzy.
mircea_popescu: (the astute reader has no doubt long ago figured out that by jiggling the last figure before the _ one can see the rest of any set)
mircea_popescu: http://66.media.tumblr.com/d39182b4713e575f0e6d95e20a4f0115/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino5_250.gif << fine, admire her silky hair then.
asciilifeform: definitely saw this very same item 2 or so wks ago.
mircea_popescu: a million or two votes should be enough for this entire planet.
mircea_popescu: "resident ; show income of one bitcoin ; or holdings of twenty bitcoin ; may vote" ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu read this off a parchment or wat.
mircea_popescu: "Every male person, being twenty-one years of age, and resident in any particular town in this Commonwealth for the space of one year next preceding, having a freehold estate within the same town, of the annual income of three pounds, or any estate of the value of sixty pounds, shall have a right to vote in the choice of a Representative or Representatives for the said town."
asciilifeform: folks on bus - have names of dead or elderly folk memorized (when this is even needed)
asciilifeform: but it is - in md - illegal to ~ask~ for it.
asciilifeform: it is not in fact illegal to see, afaik.
asciilifeform: well, it is a talmudic wall
mircea_popescu: i never heard of this "illegal to see" thing
asciilifeform: where dem party trucks 'undocumented' folk from town to town, to 'vote early, vote often' ?
asciilifeform: never heard of the 'voter buses' ?
asciilifeform: phun phakt: the last time i went to a voting booth, i took out driver license to give to the clerk, to be checked off the list (there is a list of townspeople with tickyboxes next to names) and clerk turned around in horror, 'put it away!' -- turns out it was (or at least thought to be) now illegal for clerk to LOOK AT such a thing, in many states incl. md.
mircea_popescu: in other words - the us became an orcland during obama's tenure. sad but tru.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. for instance - i could supply observers, working on this principle.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's not reactive to this low level "i shall now examine cracks" approach.
asciilifeform: the only kind i'm familiar with is when orc land 'opposition party' 'calls in observers' so that usg-favoured output can be hardcoded in.
mircea_popescu: either that or he's just stupid, whatever.
mircea_popescu: it's echafaudage. you don't come out with what you want ; you come out with the principle poorly embodied. op protests, you change it.
asciilifeform: and from where does one get them ? mars ?
asciilifeform: other thing - what exactly are 'election observers' supposed to do ?
asciilifeform: my fave horse is the very same 'common man fucked with spiked club of monotonically increasing thickness' as described by mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: yes, yes, i get it : life is a contest for life, and you have your favourite horse. this is fine. the important point here however isn't so much "what trump can accomplish" but "mp is as far as the internet can tell trump's campaign strategist. because no one other has better proof."
asciilifeform: lockheed et al 'also want to live.' either diebold, or fella eventually 'eats bad seafood' and keels over, or, etc. and that'll be that.
asciilifeform: hey if the man can turn shit into gold, i'll clap.
asciilifeform: may as well ask tumour to 'leave', nicely.
asciilifeform: diebold ain't leaving any more than literacy test is coming back.
asciilifeform: why not also demand to bring back motherfucking literacy test for vote.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 05:08 ben_vulpes: and if anyone could exclude diebold and friends from the party it'd be him
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 05:12 ben_vulpes: phf, shinohai, trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: i elected to nuke the "stale comments" thing, i'd be much obliged if any of y'all have a patch for that. in exchange i've got a patch on wp-comments.php for the suffix trick, not that it's hard or anything
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521104 << looks like you turned mp-wp into conventional rubbish wp?? congrats ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that thing really ought to link back to the waterbug piece.
ben_vulpes: now to muntz the theme.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't let randos use your xmlrpc to spam etc LIKE STOCK WP STILL DOES
mircea_popescu: ah, that's a pretty stupid idea in that it kills pingbacks, which are a rather important contextualization tool.
mircea_popescu: imagine this guy on acid, if you will.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 22:02 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell davout delete xmlrpc.php from your wordpress install and you will be 95% of the way to securing your blawg
mircea_popescu: davout put the staleness back in ?