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mircea_popescu: you can put literally anything in
the balance. "they killed my auntie". fuck
them.
mircea_popescu: the notion of catering
to consumer is rather orthogonal
to
the notion of being in bitcoin.
this breach must be addressed early and cleanly, lest management of any project spends all its
time hopping up and down aimlessly.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:48 asciilifeform: znort987: i'd say
that getting out of coinbase, and similar insanity, or at
the very least 'washing'
their coinz, if
they insist on using usgbase, is
the responsibility of
the affected users, not of bbet.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:45 danielpbarron:
they are helping you select for decent customers
mircea_popescu: really,
time usg got a brian armstrong v2.0,
this one's stale.
mircea_popescu: check out who suddenly grew a pair of balls!
the perambulating dickhead "entrepreneur"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:43 znort987: coinbase
threatens
their customers with account closure if
they are caught either sending
to or receiving from bbet
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:30 znort987: yahoo email account was hacked. hacker used it
to email kako, davout and pete begging for coinz
mircea_popescu: in other news i had drinks with
the dominicans running
the official bar of
the hos do kids' day event ; will put pics up as soon as im done with
this log
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:12 phf: it's like if bloomberg
terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k
that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf
phf: right, exactly,
the sentiment was "these cars consistently kill
the driver and a dozen of people on
the roade, bicycles sound not half bad now"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:50 phf: well,
there is
the wot,
though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling.
there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually
tried buying 10btc from a guy
that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:47 phf: Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative
to bitcoin.
that was when we were looking closely at
the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for
tracking long
term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect
there's still collateral involved when exposure is
too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-23 00:24 mircea_popescu: in
this view of Bitcoin, only Draper has any, or whoever bought it from USG.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-23 00:23 mircea_popescu: but yes,
the entire "taint" bullshit does not work.
the correct avenue is exactly
the reverse : require
to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin,
that is
to say, bitcoin
traceable
to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of
the crown, which fictitiously has
title.
mats: something prevents
them from mixing?
mats: danielpbarron: i don't follow
this bit about
taint only being a
thing when used against usg
znort987: anyhoo ... gotta jet. will be back now
that I've actually managed
to get on irc properly.
ta.
znort987: danielpbarron: working around coinbase policies is not hard, but 90% of users aren't savvy enough
to pull it off
danielpbarron imagines
the lulz one might farm from laundering bitcoin first
through ethereum or a similar scam, as a step between coinbase and bitbet,
to see if someone else gets stuck with
the 'blacklisted' coinz
znort987: mats: nope. wallet used
to send payouts has all kinds of addies in it. it has a lot of 1X* because when I rebuild
the cold wallet I pumped 20K addies in it at once, and
they all came out
that way.
mats: does new bbet have new promise
that coins will originate from address 1X...Y?
znort987: on
the other hand, if we hide
them behind - say - a user account, or hash, or encrypt
them with a user public key, we remove
transparency
danielpbarron: mats,
there's also
the point
that bitcoin
taint is only a
thing when it can be used against
the USG and other enemies of
the republic
znort987: asciilifeform, danielpbarron: coinbase is not
the issue.
the core issue is
that by making addies public, it affects coinz fungibility.
mats: my understanding of his point is
that proof-of-solvency is a monkey patch
that attempts
to paper over defects in human relations with
technical solutions
danielpbarron: znort987,
that coinbase bans you should be seen as a feature rather
than a bug
znort987: danielpbarron: understood but ... crypto-hard proof of solvency would be a very nice feature I
think.
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah, but
that's not
the issue
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:14 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519996 <<
this is altogether unclear.
this "the people have
the right
to
trace
the coins" is a) still nonsense, bitcoin is not
traceable ; b) still nonsense, forget
the "dao" bullshit ; c) still nonsense, you
trust
the operator or you don't
trust
the operator.
znort987: and given
that all addies are published on
the site, bbet is making
their life easy
znort987: coinbase
threatens
their customers with account closure if
they are caught either sending
to or receiving from bbet
☟︎ znort987: mats:
the second, and slightly more perverse issue is
the whole coinbase debacle.
znort987: mats: yeah, agreed, but easier said
than done. assembling payout
tx's by hand from deposit addies exclusive
to bet is a PITA
mats: if coins dun move,
that's proof of solvency imo
znort987: wrt bitbet solvency in general ... not an easy problem. would love
to be able
to provide a crypto-hard "proof-of-solvency", but ...
phf: asciilifeform: was
that for me?
znort987: asciilifeform: correct. a bet was paid 72 hours late. RL got in
the way. Unfortunate, but nothing
to do with solvency.
znort987: second statement, likely not needed for
this crowd bu has
to be in
the log: znort987@yahoo.com is a compromised email, please ignore anything coming from
there unless gpg-signed
znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply
to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from
the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
☟︎ mats: kako is blameless in
the divorce, in his mind
mats: never mind
the bit where he
tried
to
take coins
that didn't belong
to him, used
to seed bets...
mats: besides
the ol' 'mp is a scammer!1', of course
danielpbarron: all news is good news when it's about
the most serene republic and its citizens
znort987: asciilifeform: correct. and I sent him a private email (properly gpg'd)
this morning. he said he had smelled something funny.
znort987: including a doxx
threat if I didn't pay 5 BTC lol
phf: danielpbarron: jerkcity just came up in a conversation with some oldfags. it doesn't really
translate and is part of a now dead culture.
there's also
http://yellow5.com/pokey/ and some others
that i will probably go "oh man i remember
thaaat one." if i were
to see it. it's back when absurd non sequiturs
typed in all caps was a
thing, somehow it's part of hacker culture, which i
think goes back
to zippy
the pinhead
znort987: anyways ... spent
the day chasing
the damage he's wrecking in various accounts
that were linked
to
that email
znort987: whereas hacker just sent plain old
text
znort987: thing is: I never, ever sent an email
to either of
these 3
that wasn't a) encrypted b) signed
znort987: yahoo email account was hacked. hacker used it
to email kako, davout and pete begging for coinz
☟︎ znort987: ben_vulpes: never been on irc before. i'm actually here
to explain
ben_vulpes: what's all
this about a bridge loan, znort987 ?
znort987: is deedbot
the assbot of #trilema
znort987: but not sure how
to pull it off on #trilema
znort987: danielpbarron: I
think I've managed
to do
that in #bitcoin-assets
phf: i like
the first comment, "How many years has
ThePirateBay been up?
They’re not going
to shut down
the bitcoin network".
phf: asciilifeform: yes,
that's
the first bitcoin article i read end
to end. i read satoshi's paper immediately after
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: oh pish and
tosh.
the only
thing i
threw out while banging on mp-wp was
the comment
time-sensitivity, and i even got around
to fixing
that.
phf: it's like if bloomberg
terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k
that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf
☟︎ ben_vulpes: ;;later
tell gabriel_laddel i'm not keeping interns at
the moment
mats: i was
tired of reading about ripples by december 2013
shinohai gets
the zyklon canisters out of storage
mats: shinohai: I don't want
to read about ethereum or ethereum-likes unless it is about holders being herded into cattle cars and gassed
phf: but if
the question is, why can't reddit produce hawala,
the answer is so obvious it's kind of a "no shit". you need
http://glyf.org/socdarw.jpg for hawala, which reddit doesn't have, can't produce and wouldn't recognize when given.
shinohai: mats: not even if it gets my usual ETH
treatment?