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asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb on public toilet 'vps' hosting is generally a nonstarter
asciilifeform: girlattorney: you should be able to self-voice now, btw, after i rated
mp_en_viaje: either you are skilled, or you aren't. if you aren't, buying the glasses i wore or the bed i fucked in won't do much for you.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: in my experience, trb (with my 'aggression' patch) syncs from 0 in roughly 3wks, on a decent (fiber) pipe. however, last did this yr+ ago, and unsurprisingly the interval will only ever increase, as the chain gets heavier (on avg., grows 1000000 bytes erry 10min, recall)
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, the problem with your idea is that you can't really buy an identity.
girlattorney: now we are sitting on 270GB mostly well splitted in educated 2gb blk00*, but then there is a thick load of 50gb named blkindex that fucks up everything, cause file hosting generally doesn't like these weights
girlattorney: asciilifeform in 14 i suppose that the blockchain was in the order of 10 GBs, very easy to move even with crappy WAN pipes
asciilifeform: girlattorney: i attempted to bake exactly such in '14 , but the iron wasn't there yet ( we got a large supply of certain arm box, but only 256MB of physical mem, and only ~then~ found that without a total rewrite, trb cannot be sat down in 256M or even 1G )
girlattorney: even if you are in NY and the boxes ships from sydney, with DHL the pre-synced box would appear well before a standard sync
asciilifeform: as you can tell, however, bitcoin still functions; simply it requires genuine node operators to do a little bit of hand curation of peer selection
girlattorney: in a near future i think that it could have sense to have a TRB marketplace, where you can buy your ready-to-deploy box
asciilifeform: i.e. fleet of garbage nodes, set up on the cheap
asciilifeform: girlattorney: what usg did to bitcoin net, in p2p theoretical parlance is known as 'sibyl attack'
girlattorney: it really sucks after 28 days of sync starting from zero, knowing that a lot of nodes are hostile and nowadays nobody ain't giving away bandwith
asciilifeform: plug in another node, it is automatic real-time backup of the other..
asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb is its own backup, think about it
girlattorney: @asciilifeform thanks for the info, i'll make my backup on tape before that event
asciilifeform: ( in either event, you will no longer have bootable linux box, if you want the contents will have to plug it into another )
asciilifeform: girlattorney: 'samsung' will typically go read-only; cheaper/chinesiums will usually turn into 100% brick , when exhausted
asciilifeform: larger unit (formatted to e.g. half capacity) will live longer, in principle, as more blocks between which controller can spread write cycles
girlattorney: then it remains read only or also smash the content already written inside?
asciilifeform: girlattorney: in my flagship trb box, i found that 1T samsung ('standard', rather than 'pro', not yet tested 'pro' series) ssd runs for just short of 2yrs prior to write cycle exhaustion
girlattorney: so i just used 2-3% life of the ssd, not a big issue (i'll only sync once hopefully)
asciilifeform: aa hrm i misread (still waking up), assumed she's on that luscious arm box.
girlattorney: well, i've used a 1TB consumer SSD to sync, rated for 200 TB written before die
mp_en_viaje: iirc she was on a vps tho. os not exposed to her.
asciilifeform: disable swap; i have found that on 2GB+ boxen trb , despite heavy mem fragging, will not overrun 2GB
asciilifeform: girlattorney: seems that your box has swapping then
asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb (for time being) retains the classical 'ask peers for new peers' mechanism, so unless you hand-curate the peers (most trb folx do) you will inevitably connect to garbage nodes at the statistically expected rate
girlattorney: asciilifeform i know, indeed is 280 GB, i was saying that the total write process from 0 to 584k is 8TB, i expressed myself badly
asciilifeform: if you were looking at linux disk stats, you may have box with swappism enabled. (or do you actually have a 8TB drive, that trb somehow filled ?!)
girlattorney: nodes (prb) and other nodes that first were banned from
girlattorney: asciilifeform that's something interesting: once (not now, a couple of days ago) i was able to get to the general height, thanks to a couple of restart that allowed me to get those last blocks (it seems that when TRB starts, always download instantly 10-15 blocks). Basically when it was at the network height (synced) it was also connecting to core ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 12:07 girlattorney: if it could interest, from 0 to block 584k, TRB has written to disk almost 8 TB
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922540 << this is pretty odd, current chain weighs ~280G ☝︎
asciilifeform: it does disconnect peers who spew garbage, though, and that's ~90% of the supposed nodes on the net
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 11:27 girlattorney: if it's just an ip + port it can be a "fake" node. What interest me is the fact that TRB seems to ignore the nodes with a user agent different than "therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88". I even tried to just have a "addnode=*corenode" and in some odd way it finds a way to communicate only with the TRB nodes
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922523 << trb doesn't ignore, the (prb-powered) 'blockchain sites' ignore. ☝︎
girlattorney: @mp_en_viaje nothing public, after reading trilema and some logs I wanted to open a blog to report my stuff, but haven't got yet my ip space ☟︎
asciilifeform: looks like potential replacement for the current rk , even. ☟︎
girlattorney: i saw the rockchip, it was more expensive and i found these HC1s (a couple) used from a local guy that sold them to me at a price
asciilifeform: hey look at that, mp_en_viaje , finally 'pogo' with 2GB
asciilifeform: decent, reportedly similar to rk
girlattorney: it's an arm board with a sata slot, so i can attach a 1TB ssd and let TRB running for a couple of years
girlattorney: asciilifeform thanks, i'm going to search on logs if you haven't a direct link. The hc1 is 2gb indeed
asciilifeform: girlattorney: you'll need a board with at least 2GB tho
girlattorney: mp_en_viaje i know a little bash, i used to compile bitcoin core until knowing TRB and my project would be to compile TRB for an arm board, to eat less energy than my PC (the ARM board would be an hardkernel Odroid hc1)
asciilifeform: girlattorney: the various 'blockchain walker' sites do tend to be connected to many nodes at a time, on industrial pipe, so naturally will tend to get new blox slightly faster than human, in a residential pipe
girlattorney: i can use other source if there is another site more realiable
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i also expect. and this is 'teachable moment' :
girlattorney: asciilifeform so: currently from this site https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/?q=therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 i see that the height is 585654. My node is at 585641
deedbot: asciilifeform rated girlattorney 1 << trb n00b / new blood
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i expect she's just comparing to blockchain.info or w/e other webwallet
asciilifeform: !!rate girlattorney 1 trb n00b / new blood
asciilifeform: ( if it's the former, this is not in any sense a problem, you can still operate )
girlattorney: I have little coding skills, but definitely is something that i'm willing to do when i learn to write in C
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 10:44 girlattorney: hi, thanks for voice, i'm here to ask about trb. Installed it on my PC, and after 28 days almost synced. Then it happens the following: when TRB is almost at the current height (as now, 585,647), it stays back a few blocks, like now that is at 585640, and just cannot catch the latests blocks
girlattorney: and last thing that i found a little annoying: no exportprivkey in any form, just dealing with wallet.dat to import/export private keys ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: there's probably some room for optimization wrt disk usage ; but that's rather wating for the more comprehensive trb-fs thing
girlattorney: if it could interest, from 0 to block 584k, TRB has written to disk almost 8 TB ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: holy hell what, wtf "crusoe social philosophy" is that supposed to be! even with no sun, the gas would still be trapped by gravity, thus there'd still be a pressure, thus there'd still be a temperature, wtf "absolute zero". atmospheric pressure is trivially given by the ~height~ of air column, not by the fucking temperature holy hell these people.
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, i'm reading internet "science" : "If there were no Sun (or other external energy source) atmospheric temperature would approach absolute zero. As a result there would be almost no atmospheric pressure on any planet -> PV = nRT."
girlattorney: a very rich life i suppose (not my job, I have to deal with my ex's one)
girlattorney: thanks for the insight, i'm reading the log
mp_en_viaje: sion, demonstrating what the usg thought at the time a viable avenue of attack, that i had to spend an inordinate amt of slave time and assorted resources to bolt shut for them, and so following.)
mp_en_viaje: (the whole "power rangers" thing started with an event in 2013, when some usg agents masquerading as bitcoin developers (mike hearn, etc) wilfully introduced a bug which split the network while the other morons (wuile, maxwell, etc) failed to notice. the thing had to be undone through miner collu
mp_en_viaje: (prb is the name given to the one remaining group of scammers masquerading as bitcoin developers, in memory of their "power rangers" heritage. numerous others have meanwhile discontinued, too many to merit enumeration.)
girlattorney: btw i'm very grateful that still exist a client without segwit and without other useless crap. so glad to be able to almost sync it
girlattorney: tried to read them, but I haven't found a significant keyword to search with this specific topic.
mp_en_viaje: there's years of discussion about this scattered through the logs ; have you found the logs yet ?
mp_en_viaje: the problem is deeper than just the user agent ; fake bitcoin nodes send out all sorts of spam and otherwise misbehave. it's not possible to meaningfully communicate with one automatically, it requires skilled human hands.
girlattorney: if it's just an ip + port it can be a "fake" node. What interest me is the fact that TRB seems to ignore the nodes with a user agent different than "therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88". I even tried to just have a "addnode=*corenode" and in some odd way it finds a way to communicate only with the TRB nodes ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: well, for you there's then no answer to the "how do trb nodes get blocks" question you had.
girlattorney: well, for me a node is ip + port combo that gives me blocks and eventually transactions
mp_en_viaje: the bitnode notion of a node is about the same as the electoral notion of a "voter" : meaningful for just as long nobody gives a shit. then it's all "m00t won time's man of the year".
mp_en_viaje: consider it from the other pov : if tomorrow the aliens land, do yo uthen say "the aliens are... well... three guys" ? just because three guys are all the aliens can be bothered t oshow you does not mean "that's all there is"
mp_en_viaje: what do you call "a node" ? is it an ip-port combo ? you can trivially set up your own box to be two nodes in this sense ; i have boxes with a whole block c allocated, how would you know what's going on /
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, your notion of identity is not adequate for the situation you're dealing with. ☟︎
girlattorney: so if only these nodes are interacting with themselves, where they fetch the blocks from?
girlattorney: ok i'm gonna wait. I'm just interested in what happens with TRB nodes: with a public site that list public nodes (with 8333 port exposed, site is bitnodes dot something), i checked and it says that there are 8 TRB nodes.
mp_en_viaje: you'll need a rating from someone deedbot knows to be able to voice yourself ; it's inconvenient for me to give you one cuz im travelling ; but patience, i suspect someone else might in short order.
mp_en_viaje: admitting they exist in the first place.
girlattorney: btw i noticed that trb only connects and fetch blocks from other trbs, so i don't get what happens with the other core nodes
girlattorney: ok, going to register my key
mp_en_viaje: this is actually not what should be happening ; if you stick around there'll prolly be a barage of questions as asciilifeform trinque mod6 & all wake up.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/%d0%a3%d1%81%d1%85%d0%be%d0%b4%d0%bd%d1%96%d1%8f-%d0%bc%d0%be%d0%b3%d1%96%d0%bb%d0%ba%d1%96-%d0%9c%d0%b0%d1%81%d0%ba%d0%be%d1%9e%d1%81%d0%ba%d1%96-%d0%9c%d1%96%d0%bd%d1%81%d0%ba-aka-the-eastern-cem/ << Trilema -- (, ) aka The Eastern Cemetery (Maskowskaya, Minsk)
girlattorney: i don't get why just the latest blocks are soooo slow to fetch
girlattorney: nat router + ssh tunnel to VPS to have fixed IP
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, are you on a consumer link, behind a nat router etc ? or is this a dc box ?
mp_en_viaje: (which would be the "latest" trb, though obviously v-trees are a little different from traditional notions of latestness)
girlattorney: yes i've got that patch
mp_en_viaje: you mean, did you press http://btcbase.org/patches to say http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks ?
girlattorney: latest trb (currently available on thebitcoin.foundation) installed on debian 8
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, which trb / how did you install it ?
girlattorney: hi, thanks for voice, i'm here to ask about trb. Installed it on my PC, and after 28 days almost synced. Then it happens the following: when TRB is almost at the current height (as now, 585,647), it stays back a few blocks, like now that is at 585640, and just cannot catch the latests blocks ☟︎
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: lolz; if I didn't get them out at 9, no chance now; neah, they are my sleep-deprivation indicator simply, lol
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, you getting them out /
BingoBoingo: In pseudo local news, ebola is creeping up on the Uruguayo Army's base in Africa https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Un-caso-de-ebola-en-Goma--Ejercito-Uruguayo-tiene-tomadas-todas-las-medidas--uc724259
diana_coman: well, I'm "enjoying" tonsillitis, if that's any help
asciilifeform still recovering from 6+wk saecular crapola shitfest, setting to get conveyor moving, publish plans, etc. it's rather like waking up from coma.