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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way : have you considered this is probably a major driver for the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in ten years nobody will exist with a copy of the blockchain anyway
asciilifeform: herbijudlestoids: is cost a constraint?
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: it is not a working TWINKLE :)
herbijudlestoids: i dunno what a twinkle is, but my name is sina, so close enough :P
asciilifeform: it depends on what the project is. if it's a lamecoin, it could be 10,000 schmucks. if it's a working TWINKLE, your name is shamir and they already know where you live.
mircea_popescu: if for no other reason then because it is probably feasible for the adversary to build a list of people and then cross names off
herbijudlestoids: we need to talk...maybe once a month or less...
herbijudlestoids: there is another geek, somewhere on the internet. we work on a project together. if someone wanted to attack that project, the easiest way would be to find out who ran it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I an imagining less explosions, but kind of yes. Sabotaged key under the rug that is both useless and leaves a trace of attempts at its use.
mircea_popescu: there's a long distance from this to making "a meta-protective protocol" tho.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids this is a decent point, in that you'll both need to be on the same page.
herbijudlestoids: dear diary: today i hired mircea_popescu as a security consultant, and he told me to magically contact my counterpart to let them know they need to listen to eadio on certain frequency at certain time
herbijudlestoids: what im saying is i can walk into the city, reaver a WPS pin, login using tails and communicate over irc/jabber/whatever over i2p
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you're trying to gain some destandardization back. already a step in the right direction, but why do it this windows style.
herbijudlestoids: there could be a jabber server, irc server, even direct i2p-tunnel messages...
mircea_popescu: fine, call in to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in the background.
mircea_popescu: a protocol is exactly the opposite of exceptional means.
mircea_popescu: by its very nature this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means
mircea_popescu: so the nsa knows i talked to a hooker. fuck them, i can post pics on trilema just as well.
mircea_popescu: and can't be traced to a source... you're nuts, plainly stated.
mircea_popescu: sure, the guardian may want to have a random info dead drop, and i guess they may even read it
herbijudlestoids: so for potentially any number of reasons. maybe we are organising a protest together
jurov: heh. last time you were completely fine with needing a middleman because both computers connected to "internet" are behind NAT
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu i want to send you a message. but i dont want anyone to know it was me that sent you the message
mircea_popescu: i'm saying that it is a design with massive overhead for dubious reasons.
mircea_popescu: In I2P, tunnels are unidirectional. Each party builds two tunnels, one for outbound and one for inbound traffic. Therefore, four tunnels are required for a single round-trip message and reply.
herbijudlestoids: who is this "me" who promised "you" a thing
herbijudlestoids: err no, because youre talking about tying my identity to a key
mircea_popescu: did you just tell me you're promising to pay 10 btc for a stuffed dollie five minutes ago ?
mircea_popescu: basically, otr guarantees stuff for during a conversation. not really for after it closes.
mircea_popescu: "Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified."
mircea_popescu: that's probably a narrowing down, but anyway
herbijudlestoids: so i need a mixnet to handle the traffic
mircea_popescu: "gotta have a sikrit nick!!1"
mircea_popescu: don't use that term lol, it's a direct pastiche from romanian and in english it's a term of art with diff meaning.
herbijudlestoids: do you feel like i2p at least makes a reasonable tool for metadata securitization, to use your term?
mircea_popescu: you're better served by a dry chow chow and an otter.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's like trying to make a chowchow swim.
herbijudlestoids: well that seems a bit odd
mircea_popescu: well, if i give you a list of gpg messages encrypted to a bunch of my friend's keys
herbijudlestoids: i view it as like...sort of like a 'actually secure replacement for the s/web/internet' ...kind of like a public VPN that anyone can piss in
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: there was a guy very much like satoshi who came up with iip/i2p originally....very smart guy, i remember i used to hang on the #iip chatroom inside iip back when i was a kid
mircea_popescu: ideally based on a stateful protocol.
mircea_popescu: not even compatible, mind you. pick port 90 and create a wholly and completely different thing.
mircea_popescu: tho an actually secure replacement for the web would be a decent use of bitcoin resources.
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? how is the us legal system still a thing ?
mircea_popescu: ssociated with Tidbit, a list of all websites running Tidbit's code and the name of anybody whose computer mined for Bitcoins through the use of Tidbit, although Tidbit's code was not configured to mine for Bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: But in December, the New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs issued a subpoena to Rubin, requesting he turn over Tidbit's past and current source code, as well as other documents and agreements with any third parties. It also issued 27 interrogatories -- formal written questions -- requesting additional documents and ordering Rubin to turn over information like the names and identities of all Bitcoin wallet addresses a
ThickAsThieves: it's gonna be a bloody evening
mircea_popescu: they send you a pen, you film yourself fucking the pen and send the thing over
mircea_popescu: im sorry i don't have a handy link to the 1905 study asking the population of manchester if they'd ever fly across the atlantic in a plane.
ThickAsThieves: i suspect Lawsky doesnt need to be sent a letter
pLambert: mircea_popescu: if mtgox had suddenly shut down when they had 90% of the market the price would tank, now the price might slip a bit but not much
mircea_popescu: pLambert this is more of a nominalist thing than anything. bitcoin's long term prospects w/o mtgox are way better than with it.
mircea_popescu: currently they're adding a few %s to the avg.
pLambert: and people have been pricing in the expected collapse of mtgox for almost a year now
mircea_popescu: davout even if it only goes down a little through mtgox being taken out of the basket.
mircea_popescu: in fact i still suspect the dwolla thing was a backroom deal between the two to strangle competition.
punkman: guess when they lost millions to Dwolla might have been a good time
benkay: third question of the day: can they survive a bank run?
BingoBoingo: Is there an Ohio BTC channel? I need to remind them that they live in a bubbling shitpit and their rivers are flamable.
benkay: btc. anyone with whom i'm going to put btc on deposit must have a
benkay: <benkay> and also yes, i put a huge risk premium on anything having to do with
benkay: <benkay> the gox operation as a history of completely fucking it up
benkay: <benkay> the gox mgmt team has a history of incompetence
mircea_popescu: every 80 bux in the price is like a million dollars due to all the magnificent leverage of options. ☟︎
ThickAsThieves: "The Mt.Gox IRC support channel tells me this flatness is a result of their hot wallet currently being empty. Most users who try to withdraw now get an "invalid address" error, meaning the withdrawal attempt fails before a transaction is created that can get stuck."
ThickAsThieves: "Update: The charts below have temporarily gone flat. That's not a bug -- I'm still getting fresh data."
davout: jurov: sounds like a headline the onion would make
Namworld: I'll self-perform a lung lobectomy on YOU and videotape it. (You didn't say on "you performing on yourself" but "you self perform", which means I only have to perform it myself, not on myself)
BingoBoingo: Namworld: Sure. Application consists of a video of you self performing a lung lobectomy and videotaping it. Poor form when applying sutures is grounds for denial.
BingoBoingo: This shit should be like BTC 101, All BTC values are ints built from 1 satoshi == 1. How to configure a miner shouldn't even exist until BTC 320.
dub: a fuckchain secured by proof of fuck is appropriate
dub: we beed a way to account for fucks given
BingoBoingo: I mean there isn't an AllYourBaseCoin or a BoxxyCoin, the reason is that time is unkind to memes
BingoBoingo: I have a cold storage address that starts as 1fuck (all lowercase) and lacking firstbits rights. Barely anything there. Doubt I'll awaken it until Million Dollar BTC (Much happier last chapter to that film than Million Dollar Baby).
pankkake: I came up with a new altcoin idea. FuckCoin. so you can give a FUCK
mircea_popescu: all that remains is a dull ache for more revenue
mircea_popescu: pankkake after they get big enough and public enough, no force in the world can keep a corporation alligned to its long term interest.
BingoBoingo: In Google Terms loosing Hearn was a tragedy.
mircea_popescu: i think in googleterms "misspelling" is actually less of a stretch than "obscure language word"
mircea_popescu: that sweet day when a misspelling takes over a) the correct spelling ; b) wikipedia
BingoBoingo: That one hasn't made it to Slashdot though. Maybe if someone else with a Slashot account submits it there around 07:00 UTC and then post the link to the submission here Altcoin can make Slashdot.
mircea_popescu: i think we packed enough meta in there to mine at least a dozen blocks.
mircea_popescu: According to a 2013 report from the Treasury Inspector General’s office, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) issued nearly $4 billion in bogus tax refunds in 2012. The money largely was sent to people who stole Social Security numbers and other information on U.S. citizens, and then filed fraudulent tax returns on those individuals claiming a large refund but at a different address.
nubbins`: could even make it a periodical
asciilifeform: 'in my country there's a problem, and that problem is transport...'
pLambert: is that a criteria now too?
Dimsler__: did i fucking name a country?
Dimsler__: lol russia is not a fucking utopia
Dimsler__: with a bad case of stockholm syndrome
nubbins`: he seems to be a wizard
Dimsler__: like you can't buy a used car without the odometer rolled back
Dimsler__: like you go to germany and like 1/4 is a filthy fucking turk
mircea_popescu: and it'd be a pretty boneheaded thing to do anyway. russia has had enough cultural revolutionary great leaps forward to last it five centuries.
mircea_popescu: but if it were a goal, what else.
mircea_popescu: obviously "civilisation" as she means it isn't necessarily a goal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it;s a fact or do you disagree ?
Dimsler__: who cares about a bunch of muslim rats
Dimsler__: where nobody gives a fuck