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mircea_popescu: undata not sure why anyone cares what Chris Plante & Arielle Duhaime-Ross have to say on any topic.
mircea_popescu: that was exactly "career socialist vs anarchist that overtook the party" moment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i linked a youtube of a pirvulescu attack on ceausescu.
mircea_popescu: he ran his government exactly like you'd expect a lifetime anarchist war hero to run a government.
mircea_popescu: "i know better than you lot, you lot are stupid, not least of all for being a lot in the first place".
mircea_popescu: wait a second. what part of the "you folks are like blind kittens" is socialist, iyo ?
mircea_popescu: joecool on what grounds would you identify pre-1930 stalin as a socialist ?
mircea_popescu: joecool well, consider his early life. guy robbed banks and generally lived as an outlaw.
mircea_popescu: this entire sign things stuff we do is exactly antisocialist.
mircea_popescu: you personally ? well no, that's not teh socialist way.
mircea_popescu: the soviets had no equivalent input in the workings of pravda.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but at least the usian populace gets to pick which butt to be pictured bare.
mircea_popescu: the chinese pretend themselves communists, but really... the us is more advanced on the socialist path than they are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform merely consider the fact that the politbureau did not customarily seek to include the general opinion of the populace. not exactly socialism, this, is it ?
mircea_popescu: the purpose of trees, to hear the bromeliaceae tell it, is to one day support one! and in fact all life on earth evolves towards that peak of creation, a parasite plant of little notice.
mircea_popescu: it's funny, this particular bromilliad, sometimes catches root on a tree, then proceds to derp all about how you know, the purpose of the tree is it!
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the us was quite a different beast before being coopted by the socialists to.
mircea_popescu: before being coopted by the socialists, the russian revolution was pure anarchism.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that the only possible point to even having anarchy in the first place is to render the sorts of idiots that'd fall for it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i;ll tell you how that went. dudes for some reason perceive the need to "sell" it, and since it's obvious that you can't sell something to someone that the someone;d perceive as a "worse" alternative, then necessarily it must be made so that anarchy is not more painful to the average derp than you know, the 1980s in the us.
mircea_popescu: if i recall there was a lengthy thread of naked women in star wars paraphenalia
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski which webiste ? dtng was basically... a chan. you know, random people posting whatever.
mircea_popescu: jurov ahahaha o god help us. that is like a canonical example of evil.
mircea_popescu: coercion, wtf do you mean coercion ? you're sitting on a chair right now, your but's coerced.
mircea_popescu: then the whole ecosystem collapses under their weight ; rocks fall, everyone dies ; the mongols come to rape the lot.
mircea_popescu: or else, that you'd have unbearable brats the sort that grow up to be isaiah berlin and fill the world with the idiocy of their parareasonings as to why nobody ever needs to grow the fuck up already.
mircea_popescu: the alternative being, of course, that you could be an old maid, in which case the same children would be... just as equally dead.
mircea_popescu: but now they are 16, and a man comes and takes them to war, where they get shot and die.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you get over it, and the wound heals like any wound, and now you have children, which of course you love, being so wired to do.
mircea_popescu: this is obviously coercitive, on the part of said man.
mircea_popescu: this notwithstanding, a strange man comes, takes you away, puts you in a new place and makes you pregnant.
mircea_popescu: you get to be 16. at this point you figure - miuch like that chick in wuthering heights or whichever had the 7 sisters - you have about as much need of fucking as you have of someone sticking his finger up your nose.
mircea_popescu: you are a little girl growing up in the house of your parents, which is all nice and good.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski let's look through all this by using a model of yourself as a little girl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's come full circle, by now the unruly stupid children of yesteryear are forming pseudophylosophyc systems to justify their sillyness.
mircea_popescu: because that happens to be both the source and the point of coercion in practice.
mircea_popescu: generally writers do readers the courtesy of defining stuff tho.
mircea_popescu: well yes, i guess you should. much like we can't use unsigned patches for any reason, you can't use undefined jumbles for any thinking.
mircea_popescu: no discussion is either important or ever relevant if the discussers don't know what they mean by words.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by exception from the general rule, i actually wanted this one in teh record.
mircea_popescu: "Why do you close your eyes?" Sussman asked his teacher.
mircea_popescu: "I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play", Sussman said.
mircea_popescu: "I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-tac-toe", Sussman replied.
mircea_popescu: In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski lol you ever read how sussman was englightened ?
mircea_popescu: if you define it as em with wavelength so and so, then yes.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski for "it" to "be" something you're making some presumptions. is the color pink possible ? if so, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: well so far we're at the point where we try to find out what you mean by words.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski let's take an oblique tack. forget coercing a man. what is coercing a woman ?
mircea_popescu: it buys even less than a lolipop on a comet, so what of it ?
mircea_popescu: i have yet to meet a female argentinian that's both a) fuckable and b) owner in her own right of $100 worth of monthly income free and clear of any burden.
mircea_popescu: this is definitely most of africa, but i suspect most of the us by now, too.
mircea_popescu: you gotta understand for most people $100 in disposable income would actually make a significant difference.