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a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh i'm mostly encouraging the utter collapse of freenode's "security" model. it should be obvious that lode/ae dorks could just as well REGISTER the spambots. it's a fully automated process, what's the problem, emails ? gimme a break.

mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-10 07:01 adlai: at the risk of sounding like a lightly-chipped (for the broken don't spin too good) record: i'd be glad to rent the new rockchip. i promise this time to think before i type, and not play the shitty music too loud.

asciilifeform: e.g. diff chump at same rubber chicken fest, 'Because I declined to have maid service in my hotel room at BlackHat, two security guys came to my room and demanded I open my door and let them do a walkthrough search' ☟︎

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the heathen circus, https://archive.is/DD2uo >> '...Google engineer...sorting out the Spectre security hole mess...went to his hotel room in Caesars Palace and found his room key no longer worked. When he went to reception to find out what the problem was he was met by two security guards who took him to the room, told him pick up his stuff and escorted him off the premises. He was also given a written warning that he w

Mocky: so in reading the logs I see that musl is a libc which is smaller and stricter than glibc. is there such a thing for c++ standard library or is it not needed?

mircea_popescu: hey, got a pgp key ?

kaniini: mircea_popescu i mean, it will open a terminal channel and dump you into a login(1) type program, instead of rejecting the password

mircea_popescu: kaniini ~new~ keys are generally queued because the factorization process is somewhat involved. but there's a real time rss in #asciilifeform

kaniini: a lot of the devices will let you log in anyway,

kaniini: if a key is vulnerable

mircea_popescu: anyway ; tmsr has been running a ~yearly survey of the ipv4 space. results are lulzy, likle http://trilema.com/2016/internet-census-2016/

mircea_popescu: ~relevant bit being i guess "<kaniini> now that's a nick i haven't seen in a while. there is already https://github.com/kaniini/antissh that pops most of them. this stuff about keys is interesting though"

trinque: you said mp brought you? are you a reader of his blog?

trinque: winding down after a long day; yourself?

rain2: i'm not that good with forth - I want to learn it better but it's difficult. I think if we did output threaded code directly that could be a real improvement

asciilifeform: why not output threadedcode, a la Forth, directly

asciilifeform: rain2: 'The compiler doesn’t actually emit a sequence of 64 bit words though. It emits a “tokens” which the virtual machine can read in and translate into 64 bit words before they get executed.' << out of curiosity, why didja do this

asciilifeform: rain2: ... and if you have a www , link it .

asciilifeform: on my planet, folx introduce themselves, e.g. 'i am bob and i drive a rubbish truck'

mod6: get in the wot, rent a rockchip, become a start

mircea_popescu: "digital divide" a-ok nao, for reasons (see "code of conduct", i'm sure it explains why they can blather all they want for as long as they do exactly what we say etc)

a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 15:44 mircea_popescu: as we're contemplating an eulora client rewrite, i am contemplating the following code release paradigm : client author a) releases code encrypted to l1, signed and deeded (so basically, gpg -aer asciilifeform -r ave1 -r etc) ; b) releases precompiled binaries for allcomers.

a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 05:11 mircea_popescu: this paradigm readily explains the soviet state - "rock and roll" relationship, and moreover that historical accident had a lot to do with why alphabet even ~exists~ today. otherwise, on the naked strength of imaginary "advertising revenue" google is worth ~dozen stackexchanges/slashdots/sourceforges. but, generals always fight last year's war, and so here we are, "bayesian lesswisdom".

mod6: sounds like a serene trip 'eh!

mircea_popescu: in this country water's a safe assumption. if none on the ground, some will coming in via aeropost soon enough.

mircea_popescu: well, there's a lake, and of course jacuzzipools etc. but anyways.

asciilifeform naively assumed an 'arenal' to be a beach

mircea_popescu: however, nude beauties bathe in waterfalls. not a complete loss.

mircea_popescu: aactualy arenal is a volcano, no crocs there.

mod6: Lords and Ladies: We have a rockchip ready to go! Let us know if interested, details here if you didn't know already: http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/

a111: Logged on 2018-08-09 23:57 mircea_popescu: anyway. dropbear_2013.62 worth a looksee ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840621 << a random sampling of your dropbears reveals them to huawei ( e.g. 143.255.155.51 is a HG8247H , 14.187.228.175 -- a HG8045A ) , and ubiquiti ( 188.255.132.97 -- 'air os' ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840493 << i'ma fire'em 1 full parcel at a time ( i.e. weekly ) ; output will ( per trinque's earlier note ) land in #asciilifeform for all interested. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: anyway. dropbear_2013.62 worth a looksee ? ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-08-08 17:04 asciilifeform: 'The security researcher also recommended we consider using GPG signing for Homebrew/homebrew-core. The Homebrew project leadership committee took a vote on this and it was rejected non-unanimously due to workflow concerns.'

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-09#1840430 << very nice ; and could drop a "IP not known" on failure, sure. ☝︎

asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'The Go implementation of the P-256 elliptic curve had a small bug due to a misplaced carry bit affecting less than 0.00000003% of field subtraction operations.'

BingoBoingo: So on this third day of baking, the dough may become a pizza crust instead of a bread. We'll see after incoming Qntra

asciilifeform: 'Like I said, what we're supporting with (linux-)distros is a certain kind of "selective disclosure".'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i gotta step into meatspace for a spell, see #p log for next instruction

asciilifeform: ( consists, in practice, of regular warm, wet kisses from usg.nsa straight into mouths of folx still using 'modern distros' , followed up by generous cocktail of obfuscatory lies to the public , then exposure, then the usual fudstorm to try an' keep the ruse alive for a bonus day or three )

asciilifeform: 'The bug only affects kernels that have CONFIG_POSIX_TIMERS and CONFIG_CHECKPOINT_RESTORE enabled, which is done by a lot of modern distros' << i.e. none of asciilifeform's kernels

spyked: jurov, thanks for the idea! sbcl's resolver (sb-bsd-sockets:get-host-by-name) returns both addresses on my machine, but querying each of them for the banner might break the one-response-per-command rule (I could try to string them all together in one response, but I find that ugly). so maybe I could add DNS resolution as a separate command?

asciilifeform: phf: fwiw ( and possibly i mentioned this in the past ) asciilifeform works with... undocumented corners of microshitiana , for his bread. ( would liek to stop, but i dun see it happening any time soon . ) but i wouldn't wish it on other people, or recommend it as a 'promising career' etc.

asciilifeform: here i must disagree, asciilifeform as recently as 2016 set up a crapple with full complement of unixlike tools, incl gnat, via 'macports'

phf: well, my point is that we're already dealing with a closed source proprietary system, but if a log reader decides to provision a mac for whatever innocent purposes, choosing fink or macports will result in pointless pain

phf: fink has been dead for a decade at this point, and macports is essentially poorly maintained pkgsrc

phf: i don't know what's the basis for that assessment, outside of my occasional rants: homebrew is also the only useful one of the three, i.e. you can use it to provision a standard issue corporate macbook pro into doing useful thing

phf: fink is ~~2000 and is a fork of dpkg/apt, macports (darwinports) ~~2002 are BSD style ports, and homebrew ~~2010 is full ruby

BingoBoingo: Was a star of the February drama

BingoBoingo: Tended to try to make every request a negotiation

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He is the one that was involved in generally being a liability to Latecho's business. ben_vulpes met him

a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:25 phf: meanwhile, homebrew, the mac os x package manager, finally pulled the final bate and switch. "build from source" option is now marked as "unsupported" (!!!) in the man pages, everything's being pulled using precompiled archives. building a non-trivial set of packages from source fails along the way with clearly misconfigured formulas. this is possibly of interest only to ben_vulpes (?)

a111: Logged on 2018-07-19 19:08 phf: macports or homebrew which are portage versions for apple. at least macports can still be used to build xquartz from scratch. i've not personally tried that in a long time, so it's possible that there's serious wrecker situation there.

asciilifeform: ( context, for folx innocent of crappleism : 'homebrew' is a portage-like system for retrofitting a little sanity to crapple box, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836518 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'The security researcher also recommended we consider using GPG signing for Homebrew/homebrew-core. The Homebrew project leadership committee took a vote on this and it was rejected non-unanimously due to workflow concerns.' ☟︎

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the heathen circus, https://archive.is/Q85Dn + https://archive.is/U7KF9 >> 'On 31st July 2018 a security researcher identified a GitHub personal access token with recently elevated scopes was leaked from Homebrew’s Jenkins that gave them access to git push on Homebrew/brew and Homebrew/homebrew-core...'

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Standing by. Now this is a Cuntoo image?

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Caffinating, will head over to the DC in a bit

mircea_popescu: i've seen tons of these "i make 70k a year but i actually can't afford a $50 pair of shoes" sorts.

mircea_popescu: so this is the other-side use of the real estate racket. yes, 500k is ~0, judged eg by the count of lawyers breaking down his doors and windows to please generously find employment and a crumb of income in any conditions.

asciilifeform: ( somewhat orthogonally, his given figure, 'half mil by december', is not quite 'rake in', but a pretty threadbare existence , in current-day usa, even for small firm with 3 d00dz and an accountant , not even speaking of actual industry )

mircea_popescu: but i do see your line as quite persuasive and well supported, "modernity essentially consists of feminization of the male in the sense of getting boys to believe their brains are a sort of cunts"

asciilifeform: i dun recall douchebag in particular mentioning a wunderwaffe that would explain the 'surely will rake in the dough' bravado

asciilifeform: if there's a diff b/w these 2 hypothetically distinct particles, asciilifeform's cyclotron is not equal to determining it

a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 03:07 douchebag: Also the security firm I'm working on is expected to pull at least a half million dollars by december

mircea_popescu: nah, that was very much the male backpatting thing, http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/ http://trilema.com/2013/valiant-prince-mp-explores-the-mother-of-all-echo-chambers-a-saga-of-our-times/ etc.

asciilifeform: takes a spell.

asciilifeform has a pretty fat disk of'em

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite a few of the ru originals were not-terrible

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a handful of known 'elementary particles' of stupid, that aren't copies of one another (e.g. 'decenii de intelept cuvint!'-stupid, britney-stupid, goats-and-cousins-fucking desert-stupid , threadbare chukcha-stupid, ... ) but aside from that, yes, copies, how else

mircea_popescu: neither do they, but they've seen something in a picture from somewhere (ie, specifically, http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps a la ye olde конармия (i.e. vintage sovism for cavalry )

mircea_popescu: << https://sysarmy.wordpress.com/2018/08/06/irc-sysarmy-r-en-freenode/ in other news, the question of wtf a "sysarmy" is supposed to even be remains open

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-07#1840229 <-- I'd very much like to give the rss bot prototype a shot at this, if possible. the bot is not battle ready, but this would be an opportunity to stress test the basic functionality. if you think it's worth it, give the sign and I'll have it join #asciilifeform ☝︎

esthlos: (comms will still be shakey for a few days)

BingoBoingo: Aite, 1 kg flour, 1 egg, 1 oz yeast, and a hunk of salt. Let's see if bread happens

BingoBoingo: And yes, this is February so I am already late. Just threw a 2 gallon pot on the balcony

BingoBoingo put in a seed today to try balcony tomatoes

Mocky: such a tender moment

phf puts a hand to his chest

mircea_popescu: spyked got a rss bot baby ?

trinque: wasn't spyked doing an RSSbot once upon a time?

mircea_popescu: hey! i got a naked chick in 20lbs of chains scrubbing my balcony floor! anyone driving by can check her fatass out!

BingoBoingo: In local news, We are getting a 7th admiral https://www.teledoce.com/telemundo/nacionales/el-gobierno-planteara-una-reduccion-del-7-en-la-cantidad-de-generales-en-las-fuerzas-armadas-y-del-17-en-la-de-coroneles-o-equivalentes/

mircea_popescu: check me out, caught up with logs. well... i guess it's time to go sticking sticks through the cage bars into tender flesh! a bientot!

mircea_popescu: probably. IF he manages to stay put long enough at a stretch.

mircea_popescu: but yes, of course, anyone who can use a thing can make that thing by the definitions of the terms use and make (ie, their being the same thing). nevertheless, one usually chooses not to make everythin himself.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 23:23 asciilifeform: already if you want nitric acid in usa, you gotta either find where to steal , or make own, a la 1700s.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840109 << this has afaik been going on for a while. 11yo me had a half liter of 99% nitric acid in his chemistry lab ; but at the same time in "civilised world" it was impossible to get because... i dunno, YOU COULD MAKE THINGS!!! IT IS ILLEGAL TO MAKE THINGS!!! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 22:17 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1840047 << i believe item in question started as "lulz what else can we print wit dis thing" kind of like at a house party at 4am one tries to figure out what else can be used as a vodka mixer, but the government ban turned it into "i do what i want mom!1"

diana_coman: eh, so far we never got to finish one, it takes...a bit more let's say than usual stuff

mircea_popescu: and dancing around in a funny short skirt-veralls.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman you got a new employee too, see #eulora

mircea_popescu: including eg a missing chapter 6 and 12 eucrypt (had chapter 5 and 4).

mircea_popescu: diana_coman i got a coupla dozen pingbacks from you lol ; i'm guessing something's working

trinque: I still don't have a model for what "deedbot thinks he's connected, freenode doesn't" is

lobbesbot: diana_coman: Sent 6 hours and 34 minutes ago: <lobbes> if you still need the footnotes php for mp-wp, I have a copy up here >> http://lobbesblog.com/static/footnotes.php.tar.gz

lobbes: !Qlater tell diana_coman if you still need the footnotes php for mp-wp, I have a copy up here >> http://lobbesblog.com/static/footnotes.php.tar.gz

asciilifeform: already if you want nitric acid in usa, you gotta either find where to steal , or make own, a la 1700s. ☟︎