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asciilifeform: and let's have one touch screen instead of the bunch of levers!111111
PeterL: pilot only needs one instrument at a time, why clutter cockpit?!?
asciilifeform: 'for what do you need all of these gauges at the same time!'
asciilifeform: aaaand that was how mircea_popescu ended up having to run his reactor himself.
mircea_popescu: i tell you though, whenever i came into the office of some dude who was literally fucking around with 45 different pieces of paper at the same time, i wouldn't think "oh this guy is such a super hero" but rather "ok, this guy's getting fired first."
asciilifeform: and that you can navigate all of them with only eyeballs.
asciilifeform: tiled means that not one obscures not one square mm of any other.
mircea_popescu: well no, technically those papers were tiled ?
asciilifeform: that mircea_popescu grew used to it from papers on architect desk, or wherever, changes nothing.
mircea_popescu: what's the mouse to do with this ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only thing this "tiling" bullshit does, in your case as exemplified, and in general as a matter of necessity, is that it allows you to hide your poor cognitive performance in minutious labour. IF you are encountering certain classes of problems (wood splinters in glans penis), it is because you are doing certain things wrong and should revise your process. a signal proper pagination does give you, and tiling
phf: mircea_popescu: i work a lot better with your method, but i also sometimes like to manually drag windows around in a particular arrangement as a sort of distracted busy work. the only usecase i found for tiling wm is "full screen everything"
mircea_popescu: phf you're telling me!
mircea_popescu: anyway ; anyone is free to jack off with whatever technique he prefers. let it be clearly stated though that a) underhand is perfectly valid and b) that the first time you were unsupervised as a 9yo you did it with sharpened pencils does not mean sharpened pencisl are required to jack off.
asciilifeform: phf: this works when ALL you want is to tail log
phf: actually i had best results with multiple logs in a single file, color coded. it gives you also better understanding of time relationship between events
mircea_popescu: so switch to interact page if need be.
mircea_popescu: what, you think you're 45 people ?
asciilifeform: why the fuck would i want it in a single file
mircea_popescu: "it would be so terribly hard and difficult to pipe all the shit into a single file and tail that omaygerd."
phf: so we have three different behaviors here
mircea_popescu: i am seriously sitting here flipping between log and xchat, and i wouldn't care to do it another way.
asciilifeform: phf: dafuq i want with 'find a square somewhere'. i want this scrolling log RIGHT HERE, on display #3, under the other log for other boxes, and this one gets 2cm because it is not esp. important.
mircea_popescu: phf what the fuck is wrong with just flipping pages / adding more panels if flipping is THAT big a deal ☟︎
phf: laying out terminals is nice, but i prefer how fvwm did it. "find a square of screen realestate, where i can fit it, with some tolerance"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've yet to use a "non-full-screen window" for anything. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, so is any woman you meet. in a few brief years she'll have to be redone, by some woman, painfully, from zero.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i won't use anything but a tiling wm.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 17:14 phf: the guy who invented tiling window managers (tuomo valkonen, he wrote Ion, that nobody probably remembers at this point), quit linux in 2005 or so over exactly these things. his pet peve was all the retardation that was going into x11 as part of linux on desktop movement. of course back then people laughed at him, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525392 << incidentally, tiling window managers are fucking retarded. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of this stuff we will be, painfully, redoing from ~zero.
mircea_popescu: ie, you're constructing this experiment to miss out on the stuff that didn't exist in 1990.
phf: bordeaux-threads now mandates asdf >3.1, why? there's literally no reason
asciilifeform: this - admittedly - is a subjective observation. take, or leave, whatever.
asciilifeform: when i dig for the essential core of some proggy with version history going back to '90s, typically i walk away with distinct feeling that reading the post-2003 or so tarballs was entire waste of time.
mircea_popescu: "the gap widened! from 1 to 3!"
mircea_popescu: reality : kernel-utility-3/kernel-idiocy-4 = kernel-utility-9 / kernel-idiocy-12 ; alf-proposition-1 : "3 is approx 9". alf-proposition-2 : "meanwhile 4 turned to 12!!!1"
mircea_popescu: and if pushed, alf-proposition-3 : "all numbers of the same number of digits are ~equal"
mircea_popescu: reality : 3/4 = 9 / 12 ; alf-proposition-1 : "3 is approx 9". alf-proposition-2 : "meanwhile 4 turned to 12!!!1"
mircea_popescu: this is you : 3/4 = 9 / 12. 3 is approx 9. meanwhile 4 turned to 12!!!1
asciilifeform: approx as useful as today's.
asciilifeform: where is that now.
asciilifeform: wading through megatonne of shit is a very different experience, in practice, from cleaning one small chamber pot.
mircea_popescu: so the toilet broadened. big whoop.
asciilifeform: where was systemd in the '90s ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 17:04 phf: you just forgot how it was in '98. you now have wider range of available shit, so it's the snr that has changed. there was definitely a peak free software where available range also had max hacker value, i.e. intangible quality of buildable, inspectable, etc. but before that free software was kind of shit with a lot of dyi required.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525373 << im with him. it's not altogether clear that the shit of today is any worse than the utter shit of 1990s. contrary to what the fans believe, stupid shit never worked worth a damn. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: can i has titpic ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 16:56 phf: well, i'm more interested in mechanics of it all, since i don't believe in lizard hitler. do thugs of both camps meet at the canteen and measure each other up? are they going to embrace mutual scam wholeheartedly? are they going to try and undermine each other in subtle ways?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525359 << if experience is any guide, they're going to fuck and regret it, then start complicated psychodramas of no interest and then fizzle away into liverjournal. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: governance model, listen to random indian go. "we" and "governance model".
mircea_popescu: "our core mission is to shit on specified names. ha-ha."
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 16:38 asciilifeform: a: 'We are rejecting this PR as it introduces "Unacceptable Changes", see our breaking change contract. If you disagree with this resolution, you will need to start an RFC. Note that our RFC process currently states only team members may create a new RFC. Our intent is to open this up to the community at large, we'll be updating that repo very soon to clarify.'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525344 << ok this was pretty lulzy. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the muppet also dun enter into it.
mircea_popescu: it's hard to keep people impressed when you got nothing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 15:50 asciilifeform: sorta like those centurions who threw out the armour, 'too heavy'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525339 << the problem being deeper : contrary to pretense, the us military is just not that important. much like the knight became relatively irrelevant, much like the "nuclear threat" consisted muchly of circus, etc. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it it even correct to use word 'target' for a willing muppet
PeterL: the US does not declare war anymore, they just start blowing stuff up. (last US declaration of war was WWII)
mircea_popescu: they want merkel to be a military target, best declare war to germany first.
mircea_popescu: the real situation doesn't enter into this, the fictitious situation as presented by usg is the basis.
mircea_popescu: as far as the usg is concerned, germany is at peace, and moreover, an ally.
PeterL: or are they part of the general USG war on everything?
PeterL: are they at peace?
mircea_popescu: (and what would be the definition of "rogue state" other than that ? "people we don't like" ?)
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is the head of civilian government at peace "military target"
mats: but this distinction is also useless, so imma shut up
mats: merkel is military target, imo
asciilifeform: https://youtu.be/pEp9d1bUTec?t=13m06s << aaaand mr o reads, i suspect, the l0gz.
asciilifeform: and them.
asciilifeform: iirc this came long ago
mats: anyways, i await next chapter of snowden-ru cooperation, where they leak evidence of usg direct action against civilian nato target
asciilifeform: https://youtu.be/pEp9d1bUTec?t=9m45s << in other noose, orlol seems to agree with mircea_popescu re american police.
thestringpuller: mats: i'm cheap so yea. I guess that's my future - "Mo' Money, Mo' Problems"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i guess police are like dogs. throw a bone in one direction, do activity in different direction.
mats: maybe your problem is the amounts are too small
thestringpuller: it's getting to that point :( never thought I'd have to have proxies for such an activity back in 2012
mats: you don't need to be there.
mats: pay a guy - pay three. you worried about premiums or something?
mats: its unbelievable to me that your network is so small you can't orchestrate a btc purchase for cash
thestringpuller: you have a safe in your car. they take the safe and let you keep on rolling.
thestringpuller: war on cash man. you have more than 1 grand, the police take it. no questions.
thestringpuller: the police are the ones who gonna roll up and be like "We want our cut!"
mats: set the meet at a police station like most folks on craigslist with $expensive-item
thestringpuller: I'm like highly convinced someone is gonna roll up on us one day and just take the cash.
thestringpuller: Oh I do. I just have not found a way to transfer BTC to cash and back without meeting someone in person.
mats: minimizing liabilities shoulda been one of the first things you learned here!
asciilifeform: i am not the first to observe this.
asciilifeform: where the rsa-diddling is, etc.
asciilifeform: presumably it lives in the 'interesting stuff' room, where snowden never went.
thestringpuller: mats: i'm actually more worried about going to jail for buying bitcoin /w cash than I am anything else I do that's considered criminal activity.
asciilifeform: does not prove the non-existence, sure.
asciilifeform: mats: inference from 1) no one has yet to publicly hear of an orc with linux desktop 2) not one piece of exploit kit related to such has yet leaked out of usg.
mats: asciilifeform: if i'm remembering these acronyms correctly, that last thing doesn't ave anything to do with windows
thestringpuller: cuz instead of serving time you pay your probation officer
thestringpuller: probably about the total cost of the product that was seized from him
thestringpuller: but the probation was costful
asciilifeform: prosecutor could have indicted him under the 'analogues act'
thestringpuller: i guess prosecutor didn't want to go up against an actual scientist...