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asciilifeform: (notice, if the tale of znort is to be taken at face value, the only thing that kept his edifice from burning down was a pgp sig.)
asciilifeform: such as for instance some of the folks here may have 'come to expect' ~not~ being deluged with crafted messages from third parties claiming to be from X
mircea_popescu: eve tried it too. worked just as badly.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 18:46 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: actually that's misconception that arose during the "everquest" era of bullshit
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528993 << mno, lord british did it too. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but anyway, sure, "people have come to expect" all sorts of weird shit.
mircea_popescu: what criteria is this, common.
mircea_popescu: it is also not uncommon to prepare food after shitting without washing hands.
asciilifeform: it is not uncommon to send a signed pgpgram.
mircea_popescu: so then what do i care that he is saying that i told him "x" ?
mircea_popescu: so what exactly is your interest if they lose the plaintext ?
asciilifeform: i read phf's thing as simply 'you are counting on other side not to simply lose the plaintext, and not to shoot out both of your feet by sending an intended signed ciphrogram in the clear'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 18:26 phf: well, that's not a noshit for every reader i suppose. if you gnupg with an incompetent person you might end up with things that you want explicitly hidden on record "beyond a reasonable doubt". shit if you gnupg with competent person you ought to think twice what to send, and if tradititional public premediated c&c is a better option
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528973 << i don't understand how you think gpg works. explain this to me ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: seems very much a "ustards do chivalry, like they saw in rome, france"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 18:26 ben_vulpes: reminds me of a conversation with the excavator operator the other day: "how'd you get your wife to let you buy a corvette?" "let?!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528972 << there is, believe it or not, this large population of "kind bear" out there ; army, construciton etc full of them. entirely subbie to some rando woman, who half the time has no fucking clue / is just bitchy. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: let's say it was an early luxury we did for a time enjoy
asciilifeform: the old sages knew this.
mircea_popescu: makes much more sense to do it pairwise ; or at any rate p2pish
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 18:04 asciilifeform: anyway, i only bring up subj because 'what are some things to do at meat meetups.'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528952 << actually it's not altogether clear the "announced star pattern meet" is the best way to go. too much logistical difficulty involved in syncing people ; and in defending an agglomeration - for relatively little benefit. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ima add it to list. but first i wanna finish the anhero niceguy.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 15:41 diana_coman: true that; my thought there was informed by the fact that a 2 years old can be happily kept occupied with perfectly-adequate stuff IF someone points them to it; on the other hand if left on their own, they will ~always find a destructive thing to do
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528679 << not all the children are fit to live ; all the parents are liable to lie to themselves on this score. this impedance mismatch is the first and in plenty of approximations the only business of social science. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform often feels lame asking for a transl of a piece written in a reasonably european lang
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform turns out wasn't tranbslated.
asciilifeform: 'Hungary-based security consultancy SilentSignal has ported a public exploit to newer models of Cisco's Adaptive Security Appliance (ASA). .... The exploit was restricted to versions 8.4.(4) and earlier of ASA boxes and has now been expanded to 9.2.(4).'
shinohai: Maybe he should just switch to keybase.io too
wyrdmantis: asciilifeform is that zero point energy nonsense?
asciilifeform: there are few folks more 'batshit' than cargocultist who manages to build a ~working~ glider.
asciilifeform: wonder how much of what these schmucks are experiencing, is the effect of drinking heavywater.
asciilifeform: the interesting part re ^ is that the depicted fixture will indeed separate water... but not into 'magic' and 'nonmagic', but... h2o and d2o.
asciilifeform: (and they build things!111 -- http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/research/Vortrap.htm )
asciilifeform: in other 'holy shit, this claptrap is still around' nonnews, http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/m-seeps.htm
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu was this http://trilema.com/2011/epifania-cu-pedofilia piece ever translated ?
asciilifeform: but for so long as there are folks who remember what the Real Deal looks like - idiot is left to bite own elbows with frustration.
asciilifeform: (or, on a very distant planet, it was tried with 'clojure' vs common lisp.)
asciilifeform: let'em try also with bitcoin, why not.
asciilifeform: the hearnia strategy, 'we'll steal your thing and make idiot version and sell it to EVERYONE as the Real Thing' was tried, yes, with pgp.
asciilifeform: (which gets inserted into the comp every morning to log in, and no, the card does not light up when signing)
asciilifeform: folks who've worked under the u.s. pentagon, will know what i am speaking of.
shinohai: blockHEAD tech
asciilifeform: BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY!111
wyrdmantis: the rabbit shithole run more deep than i thought
shinohai: Ethereum tends to do that.
shinohai: `unknown entities` and coin was the Krypton-eth-clone
shinohai: Certainly not my type of luscious flesh, but then again I prefer brunettes.
asciilifeform: hey, if it comes with some luscious flesh, someone might take..
shinohai: 51% attacked her coin, dumped on trex for 5.614718020889983
shinohai: well BingoBoingo it looks as if our friend covertress got some Bittrex suppositories today.
shinohai: http://archive.is/I0dX8 "why should the rest of the network be crippled because you have an irrational desire to validate every single Bitcoin transaction?"
thestringpuller: you're assuming the level is of infinite complexity, that is it exists like the natural world. That's not normally the case the level is deliberately designed so the rovers that are npcs glide along it like an amusement park ride.
phf: but if you actually believe that, there's a very lucrative Lockheed martin contract i can hook you up with
phf: thestringpuller: you're speaking with authority from not knowing, and there's no point for me to continue this conversation
thestringpuller: with sensors you can program the robots to find you every time
thestringpuller: phf this is level design.
phf: yes, you can make ai that can smell you all through the field, but then it's equivalent to "knowing where you are", and no ai is involved. it's simply a machine that can pinpoint a location based on small with p reliability
phf: the impossibility in this case is inverse relation to "knowing where you are", not to "ai". because making ai with limited sensors (like by say using same set of sensors as what you have) find you is a tricky problem
phf: "You can make the hi"
asciilifeform: 'You can make the hi'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: okay. so in game of hide and go seek in kojima's world. AI is like player but more liek child. It can see, it can hear, it can even smell. So if player is running in rain and footsteps appear, AI follows players trail. If AI hears suspicious noise in certain area it goes and "looks around". The thoroughness of its hunt is relative to difficulty. I was saying more if you want to go the "purist" route. You can make the hi
thestringpuller: i wasn't saying that.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ai that finds you because it ~knows where you are~ is not ai.
thestringpuller: game AI is pretty advance on most fronts, it's not trying "to be human". For instance being hunted in a stealth game. If they really wanted to, they could make the AI find you EVERY time. A game of hide and go seek that's impossible to win. So the in-between is this "puzzle-like" element. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 17:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand (and this is quite certainly not an expert view) most mmporg tried to use robotic 'npc' to fill this eco niche.
asciilifeform: phf: where i argued that the ~only~ genuine advantage of a physical key is that it is possible to destroy the only copy
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: actually that's misconception that arose during the "everquest" era of bullshit ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: do you remember the 'brainwallet' thread ?
asciilifeform: if this becomes obvious IMMEDIATELY when it happens, it means that i have done my work here CORRECTLY.
asciilifeform: i fully expect to be killed at some point, and in such a way that usg gets some or all of my key material.
asciilifeform: historically successful partizan organizations assumed betrayal, blackmail, and torture, as facts of life, and routed around the damage on best-effort basis (e.g., cell compartmentalization.)
asciilifeform: there are also such things as 'canary', but they tend to 'cry wolf', like burglar alarms.
asciilifeform: (for which the toolkit includes, e.g., 'fits-in-head')
asciilifeform: or, my own 'trademark', to build systems that will survive one's own cokemachining and betrayal.
asciilifeform: the necessary level of discipline contains tools such as cyanide
asciilifeform: there is , today as in 1942, the coke machine.
asciilifeform: even supposing they find none
phf: apply same heuristic to me
phf: if traditional american police (and not even special lizard hitler goons) were to raid your house right now, while you're at work, on a suggestion that you run a drug market, and confiscate every piece of electronics&c they could get their hands on, what is the chance that they will find your key? how much trust should i put in your answer? both are obviously rhetorical questions. presumably, if we were to gpg gram, you will have to
asciilifeform: phf: the damage that can be wrought by folks whose hands grow out of arse, is staggering, and more so the more powerful the instrument.
asciilifeform: appears in wide array of places, from norway to japan
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's a working-class thing of 'hand wife the wages to keep it all from going to drink'
phf: well, that's not a noshit for every reader i suppose. if you gnupg with an incompetent person you might end up with things that you want explicitly hidden on record "beyond a reasonable doubt". shit if you gnupg with competent person you ought to think twice what to send, and if tradititional public premediated c&c is a better option ☟︎
ben_vulpes: reminds me of a conversation with the excavator operator the other day: "how'd you get your wife to let you buy a corvette?" "let?!" ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 14:36 mircea_popescu: diana_coman i wish to meet the father that actually does this.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528522 << "with any luck the most we can hope for is that they're tolerable company. if one's halfway qualified to be sent to more school, i'll consider myself lucky. and if we're unlucky, well, there's always the beach and teaching surfing." ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: the thing is necessarily as strong as the weaker party, yes
phf: asciilifeform: same problem with gnupg though, when you need to use it, you'd better be certain counterparty can opsec
mod6: i'd prefer to an enigmatic pile of crap that is gnupg
asciilifeform: if one really desires the 'absolute' aspect, there is, yes, a price.
asciilifeform: (recall, ancestors had to use pen and paper!)
asciilifeform: e.g., are you willing to compose and read messages using something with the ergonomics of a pocket calculator ?
asciilifeform: otp also poses a number of 'konsooomer has come to expect' challenges to typical user.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i half-expect to hand out otp's at the next meat gathering. << werd.
ben_vulpes: ah no i'm wrong on that one
ben_vulpes: i can think of one that's not, anyways, 'tis a joke.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pretty sure all the faces are on www .
ben_vulpes: memorize everone's faces to sketch later for handlers
asciilifeform: (most folks have not now and never will have any business using an otp. to use it without applying the required ~discipline~ - e.g., are you prepared to keep the pad with you at ALL times, in the shitter, etc. ? does more harm than good.)