asciilifeform: according to the link, that.

asciilifeform: now you've got 400 mW...

asciilifeform: let's say the cube swings open, giving 40 cm.^2 facing the sun (magically rotates without fuel...)

asciilifeform: optimistic value for photovoltaic is ~100 W / m^2

asciilifeform: might be cheaper to buy a country.

asciilifeform: but that will cost you.

asciilifeform: if you really want something to hang around forever (or until the hardware bakes) - Lagrange points.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'long term', in the satellite business, traditionally means a decade or so.

asciilifeform: not much room on a breadbox for either serious antennae or photovoltaics, either.

asciilifeform: they're largely a gimmick ('street cred' for engineering students.)

asciilifeform: TomServo: afaik, 'cubesats' go in low orbit and typically croak after a year or two.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it seems like he was talking about the btc feature that sometimes goes by that name, rather than Shamir's scheme.

asciilifeform: *protocol

asciilifeform: there is a difference between 'prococol' security and actual security.

asciilifeform: and variations on the theme

asciilifeform: oleganza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yao's_Millionaires'_Problem

asciilifeform: oleganza: if you're serious about the 'never', you need different crypto right off the bat. 'millionaires protocol', etc.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: those are said to be standard in american prisons.

asciilifeform: transparent vacuum cleaners... when do we get the: transparent toilet?

asciilifeform: luser gives shares to five friends, needs 3. one loses his laptop on the train, two have their disk formatted by crapware. result: no wallet.

asciilifeform: *c

asciilifeform: giving lusers secret-sharing is a perfect recipe for 'damn i lost my wallet, btx sux'

asciilifeform: what people really miss is not the fuhrers, but the times when they were possible. you think anybody misses Brezhnev, the man?

asciilifeform: (for collecting '0days')

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plaintext wallets are often used to bait honeypots.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps one day.

asciilifeform: the phuture: paper 'who's who' comes back. for pubkeys. you read it here first...

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: would be a tad bit more exciting if he signed with it.

asciilifeform: or the first few dozen bytes anyway

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that's your own key!

asciilifeform: 2023: 'RCMP head Paul Bobson supports organ collection on arrest - Politics - CBC News.'

asciilifeform: it will be fun.

asciilifeform: buy a simple micro board, make a light blink.

asciilifeform: more like 15 days

asciilifeform: avoid boards specifically designed for cryptocoin mining, they are i/o-poor.

asciilifeform: never buy xilinx and altera boards new, they're pennies to the dollar on ebay and the like.

asciilifeform: both xilinx ('coke'), altera 'pepsi', and lattice 'inca cola' will happily eat both.

asciilifeform: i prefer verilog

asciilifeform: don't learn a toolchain, learn verilog (or vhdl)

asciilifeform: those are less pleasant to program directly.

asciilifeform: avoid the ones that are typically used with a traditional OS (most of the modern offering - ARM, etc.)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: learning a micro will teach you what everyone in the '80s knew: that low-level programming doesn't have to be a misery.

asciilifeform: there is really very little more fun you could have as a programmer, than on a machine that you can completely understand.

asciilifeform: and yes, that's all of them.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: complete instruction set: http://ece.wpi.edu/~wrm/Courses/EE2801/Notes/ee2801c00lec20.pdf

asciilifeform: overflow that.

asciilifeform: there is something to be said for even the most humble microcontroller. the PIC16F84 (mentioned in the link, also my 1st micro as a kid) has separate address spaces for code and data.

asciilifeform: and cancerous complexity in general.

asciilifeform: it isn't the SPARC (or Alpha, or whoever) that is to blame, it's unix

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pick a reasonably capable microcontroller and learn that.

asciilifeform: necromantically resurrecting ancient iron is not a panacea. the systems of the past had their own security flaws (irix, i'm looking at you)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if all you want is a web server on a 'i personally set every damn bit' sort of machine, something like this: http://www.kyllikki.org/hardware/wwwpic2/ is a better project.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can use any old pile of junk, then, doesn't have to be a DEC.

asciilifeform: (btw i have it on fairly reliable rumor that mallery owns symbolics corp. now.)

asciilifeform: you can work up from there.

asciilifeform: well, genera comes with john c. mallery's cl-http.

asciilifeform: it's a serious time commitment; not for everyone.

asciilifeform: my advice, try the pc version 1st

asciilifeform: had to throw some out last year, to make space...

asciilifeform: got a pile of these alphas right here.

asciilifeform: as seen here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect it's all for people who want to run OpenGenera.

asciilifeform: but to run a network with heterogeneous workfunctions.

asciilifeform: the point wouldn't be to wiggle out from under each new batch of asics

asciilifeform: well, that could in principle do it.

asciilifeform: dub: naturally. i was reasoning from the point of view of the people who have them. they have an incentive.

asciilifeform: or simply if you'd prefer a cryptocoin that doesn't degenerate into semiconductor plants as central banks

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're sitting on a warehouse full of fpga.

asciilifeform: benkay: programmable workfunction (part of the protocol, in my concept) would give you some teeth against asic, etc.

asciilifeform: self-emptying coldwallets, should they appear, would almost certainly be explained by compromised electronics (airgap that isn't) rather than QM sorcery.

asciilifeform: say, my crackpot 'turingcoin' (arbitrary calculation for workfunction.)

asciilifeform: benkay: there are several hypothetical altcoins that would make practical sense.

asciilifeform: and the pubkeys tend to end up hefty (64kB+.)

asciilifeform: benkay: lattice crypto is interesting but (relatively) poorly studied; plenty of opportunity for fukkupy

asciilifeform: betcha every luggage trunk at every u.s. airport contains something on this list.

asciilifeform: a list of junk u.s. gov. considers politically interesting.

asciilifeform: unrelated but interesting: http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=c5cc9a1c749a6f225283bdfa124431d0&rgn=div9&view=text&node=15:2.1.3.4.45.0.1.3.87&idno=15

asciilifeform: nubbins`: the author of that piece did turn up eventually.

asciilifeform: 'sure, this carriage is horseless, but where are the reins? gotta be somewhere.'

asciilifeform: from the crackpot brigade: https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/

asciilifeform: speed of sound being finite.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: not quite. there's a delay loop in there. thinkaboutit.

asciilifeform: pankkake: nothing to do with the fan

asciilifeform: nubbins`: naturally you can't decode individual instructions from the buzz - but you can modulate it if desired

asciilifeform: why? inductor buzz in the power supply circuit

asciilifeform: i have several laptops where i can hear the cpu easily enough

asciilifeform: also you needn't a speaker to produce sound.

asciilifeform: not to mention that you can craft periodic signals that the canceller will actually amplify.

asciilifeform: actually, noise cancellation circuit, given that it emits sound, makes a great side channel.

asciilifeform: (example: http://xtrmntr.org/priikone/programs/tempest-AM-README)

asciilifeform: then, transmitter using... displays.

asciilifeform: and, the grand prize: say the victim owns a fleet of PCs which pick up interference somewhere in the 25-300MHz range.

asciilifeform: no ultrasound, and still pretty good bandwidth.

asciilifeform: (with heavy error-correction, naturally.)

asciilifeform: 'click' sound to start counter; next 'click' - value of counter is transmitted word.

asciilifeform: high-res, stable oscillators in modern machines let you pull, say, the following trick:

asciilifeform: the phun part is that you needn't use ultrasound.

asciilifeform: seems like nobody ever heard of... modem.

asciilifeform: the same rpi with a MB of closed source blob running on dedicated core?

asciilifeform: i own one - http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html - (1989! and higher res than virtually all modern 'consumer' ones) but 15 minutes, and then headache.