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asciilifeform: rright, i observed that the situation could be forced into being very inexpensively, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853644 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose it is a serious bojum that is in no way resolved by smearing shit over eyes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i take it you dun suppose the miners thing , upthread, will be serious boojum ? ( or should i wait for mircea_popescu to eat log )
a111: Logged on 2015-05-31 12:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-05-2015#1148837 << i would like to see a patch which maintains VALUED list of other nodes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-31#1148935 << FUUCK, found! this is what i was looking for, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-31#1148937 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-31#1148938 ☝︎☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: infuriatingly enough, i can't find it now. but the discussion was exactly along the same lines, "add user-configurable penalty for communicating shitblocks (any block that isn't the one you were looking for) and any other misbehaviour ; and used-configurable bonus for communicating useful things ; then user-configurable knob for lowest-tolerable-score and ban peers who fall under"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+trb-i << interesting list, at that.
asciilifeform: iirc was one of the moar recent 'trb-i' mircea_popescu threads
asciilifeform: ( and i indeed suspect that no pentagon ww3 planner planned for anyffing like the current level of breakage, at that )
asciilifeform: yea as i understand diana_coman already has the knobs, can turn'em when she wakes up
mircea_popescu: i expect we'll have a nice pile of data this week.
asciilifeform: given as i do not know a reason why it oughta be as low as 508 when going from ip stack mtu would be 1472.
asciilifeform: ( i predict that any frag at all will give loss that cancels out the win from using heavy packets. but nobody should take my word for it, test, test )
asciilifeform: what i'm curious about, is how far below also frag.
mircea_popescu: (i really like tracepath much better tbh.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually traceroute i had to install.
mircea_popescu: and it says pmtu 1500 on a half dozen servers i looked, si
asciilifeform: i suspect -- similarly afflicted
asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i was able to measure mtu ~from~ dulap, using USE="tracepath" emerge iptools and tracepath -4 asciilifeformshouse
asciilifeform: trinque: i just noticed this, on dulap also, apparently some recent year's shitgnomism in gentoo mutilated traceroute
asciilifeform: i.e. where they start getting fragalicious
asciilifeform: i did have a tiny shred of 'hm maybe modern gear reassembles', but it was just that, a lark
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol i did say. back in the gossipd thread.
mircea_popescu: i really didn't think it through, wtf is this 28355, 52181, 2600, 7269, 16286, 47627, 36352, 53247, 24192, 63568 bullshit, no one with any sort of networking experience would expect this to go.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 13:56 asciilifeform: ( i long suspected that nothing far over 512, will reliably go )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 13:50 diana_coman: hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc)
mircea_popescu: i sometimes do it as learnpunishment for girls. but ample iron to punish with viz few girls need punished.
mircea_popescu: me either, but as i said, makepile errors out and im not debugging this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't fathom why kernelism would want a 4.9 specifically
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 18:57 mircea_popescu: ah, and i bought a dongle for it ? the linux driver "requires" gcc 4.9
mircea_popescu: oh, is this part and parcel of all the "luxuries keep me bolted down in usgistan that i could never have anywhere else" line ?
asciilifeform: ( i dun imagine either is problem in castle mircea_popescustein )
mircea_popescu: yeah well... i would never. why not get a desktop, cheaper parts, better heat.
asciilifeform: it dun even switch on w/out a large fw turd, which i'm guessing mircea_popescu did not have
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever got even as far as this, with a radio nic made post-'08; yer ahead of me
mircea_popescu: i'm NOT debugging make error soup, either.
mircea_popescu: ah, and i bought a dongle for it ? the linux driver "requires" gcc 4.9 ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's some % who actually endrivered various new iron. e.g. dulap kernel built for arm64 won't actually boot on rk, needs the little bit of chinesium ( i have it laid out, fwiw , mostly, specifically for when we pour cement )
mircea_popescu: hey, linux ~already useless for any practical purpose. you know i have a trashed hp envy sitting here because trhere's no way to run the wireless on it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, most of what thing consisted of, was massive gaggle of iron maker sponsored driver-makin' folx
mircea_popescu: and the punishment for "what if i don't" is... "they will".
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean. "oh, my fambly business is my own" "sure, it is. until it suddenly isn't."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i had nfi linus even had daughter. then apparently find, he does, and she's 'pavlik morozov'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853526 << illustrating the problem here : if man has a moron daugther but does not say "oh, i have a moron daugther", he is in obvious danger of "and she made me a moron too". ☝︎
asciilifeform: i guess disney had one possible answer re the 'wat', http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lja7aorWsU1qze0z6o1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've yet to meet the orc who did not say 'mine is a poor country.' after all, so far from miami.
asciilifeform: as i understand, this is how mircea_popescu ended up setting bozo bit on argentines. 100% pig-os.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've found that it is normally impossible to explain any such thing to folx who operate in 'pig logic', i.e. 'would there be moar? or less?, slop in my trough?'
BingoBoingo: I try explaining this to the locals when they reminisce about the 2005-2015 good old days
asciilifeform: ( i dun think, e.g., lichtenstein, worries re 'leaking dollars' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, orcistani rulers are perfectly free to stop out-inflating the usd, and then can quit worrying re 'leaking hard currency' any time they want
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 18:17 mircea_popescu: what i meant by "mercantilism" is that they do not want the locals to leak dollars back into the ubers of the world.
asciilifeform: '"I am not happy with the dominance of Chinese contractors. In the first place, the money that they get from these contracts is externalised and all that they return here are meagre wages," said Edgar Syakachoma, himself a contractor. "Let the government also give us the contracts so that they benefit Zambians."' << hey, recall mircea_popescu's piece with the argentine anti-bus protesters
Mocky: but yes I see the knock on effects are not the same as superficial effects
asciilifeform: Mocky: the current algo optimizes for nuffin at all. but the puzzler is, if we were to optimize for ~something~, could it create a problem. esp if the algo worx as i predict, and the nodes using it, end up forming an optimally short link to the miners.
Mocky: I presumed as much
Mocky: ahh, yes I've seen but didn't know who emits
Mocky: asciilifeform, is there a way to quantify "for a time"? Because requiring a 'tour of duty' dun necessarily seem like a bad thing. Is showing up with faster hash rate and getting full advantage on day one something to optimize for? (or day N, which is why I wonder how to quantify)
asciilifeform: i'd be interested to see what mircea_popescu makes of this algo. because i can see a possible fatal downside.
mod6: I'm gonna think on it a bit.
asciilifeform: ( nao, ideally all of the sane people would actually know one another and wot, and link their nodes via ciphered pipes, all the way to miner. but i dun expect to live to see this. )
asciilifeform: i suspect that it would lubricate both block rx and tx broadcast.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 20:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853137 << this reminds me of an item i had on chalkboard but never had a chance to actually bake -- a running log of where/when (ip, remote ver, time) noad got each incoming candidate block .
asciilifeform: mod6: i was thinking of trinque's idea : suppose trb closed all open pipes if it finds that $configurable hours (e.g. 3) have passed without new blox
asciilifeform: ( i got 1500 , and at own router )
asciilifeform: ave1: i was speaking generally, 'are there other hardwired pathisms in there'
ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853545, I had seen the path in the specs (gcc -dumspecs) so I knew I had to look in the gcc/config directory. Next was the i386 dir (used for everything intel > i386) next simple grep for "isystem" (I worried that the path would be constructed from parts and so would never be found). ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> !Q later tell BingoBoingo crate seems to be in customs limbo still << I don't expect the locals did anything at all Saturday/Sunday. No phone calls have been recieved yet. We still have more waiting time before panic time.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: try the local variant. but i expect even across 1 router hop you will see similar picture.
asciilifeform: so far is exactly what i expected to see, aha
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. there's a tiny reassembly buffer, and if it is occupied while new frags fall in, it drops
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's consistent with what i know of the braindamaged frag reassembly mechanism on most iron
asciilifeform: diana_coman: tcpdump -i eth0 udp port YOURPORT -vv -X
diana_coman: yes, I'm trying to figure out mainly if I can at least make sure that it IS sent out of sender; then it can ofc get dropped anywhere on the route
asciilifeform: ( i long suspected that nothing far over 512, will reliably go ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: unless i misread the docs -- yes
diana_coman: hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 05:00 trinque: genesis will be the frozen-in-time found item, and from there I'll be looking forward to patches to add ave1 gcc (and later ave1-reproducible-build-gcc), other improvements.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say that you're required/expected to actually go into some sort of "sponsor" relationship with a local fucktard.org. make-your-own sponsor, why not.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 04:19 Mocky: mircea_popescu, so local sponsor must hold >50% controlling interest in any new business. local chamber of commerce apparently on the look out for profitable opportunities with foreigners. I'm not sure where else to look specifically aside from generally making a lot of friends and getting introductions.
trinque: genesis will be the frozen-in-time found item, and from there I'll be looking forward to patches to add ave1 gcc (and later ave1-reproducible-build-gcc), other improvements. ☟︎
trinque: quick update on cuntoo before I depart. the fully machine-driven transformation from snapshotted gentoo to cuntoo genesis.vpatch works, and successfully rebuilt itself whole. I've also got the classical gentoo repo acting as a subordinate repository, such that porting ebuilds will be extremely easy (i.e. gentoo repo is now an overlay, just like musl overlay, which can be used or not as decreed by operator,
asciilifeform: trinque: the crapola-gluetrap steadystate in trb is what i was trying to kill with 'wires' experiment
asciilifeform: but i have not tested
trinque: thing really needs a "everyone I know is retarded, forget them and move on"
trinque: ah, well, the fuckwittism spread, because I've cron'd killall -SIGQUIT bitcoind now
asciilifeform: i've yet to see this 'stuck', aside from when actively verifying blox. if node with next block shows up, it goes.
trinque: what I don't have a model for yet is the perma-stuck state
trinque: the behavior I've seen is that this particular box gets stuck, always immediately resumes receiving blocks when trb is restarted
trinque: eh, I'm not convinced of that
trinque: asciilifeform: hate to report that I just noticed my pizarro box (running aggression) was sitting there doing absolutely nothing for about 4k blox
Mocky: I'm looking at local conferences, local politics, tech and business groups / meetups. expect to chat up street market vendors on the regular if these are actually arabs and not indians
Mocky: mircea_popescu, so local sponsor must hold >50% controlling interest in any new business. local chamber of commerce apparently on the look out for profitable opportunities with foreigners. I'm not sure where else to look specifically aside from generally making a lot of friends and getting introductions. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and i never knew bloomberg to be a source on anything besides pop culture.
mircea_popescu: i never knew paperwork to be worth two shits in arab world.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853449 << i would seriously not worry about this paper wank. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i for one have my kernel, and dun expect to ever miss the Official 'new'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 02:30 asciilifeform: i imagine a maggot's idea of heaven, this, the fresh meat with no prev maggot crew.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i quoted the ur item here once, i think. was schmuck on "wikipedia admin board" going to "help out" unless "anyone asks him to stop".
asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the process whereby a theo 'marries' a bobbeck. what's the draw, exactly