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mircea_popescu: it has to be said, again and again, lest anyone forgets : this was designed as a prototype.
mircea_popescu: for FUCKING OBVIOUS reasons, such as... the involvement of pi! this is true for curves too.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's fond of pointing out to the pi problem of "random numbers", ie, for all you know xth index of pi digits is random
mircea_popescu: but there's also some scienfitic doubt. you really don't know a) how good a "random curve" is n the generla case ; b) you don't really know how to calculate the quality of a good curve.
mircea_popescu: tho i am very suspicious of ecdsa for what you'd call "political" reasons.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> Is there a similar procedure for ECDSA? << sort-of. the exponent is ideally chosen randomly as well as the index.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how many u.s. expats are willing to, say, break their backs doing actual work for the locals ? << all women that i ever met. srsly.
mircea_popescu: <undata> or hell, loot the nearest shoe store for some nikes if that's all you can muster << petty crime is really a very poor plan.
mircea_popescu: for thatmatter, even 30 years ago, "the us" aka "america" was something you'd have had to be chomsky not to believe in.
mircea_popescu: none of them actually had to hang themselves for this lapse in their youthful judgement,
mircea_popescu: plenty of women woke up one day to discover they married an asshole over the endless count of years.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> - that is, who do you wish to see win? <<< seems rather uncontroversial by now that the us is a rogue state. at least to my eyes. but in two years of this we've yet to meet somerone who actually believes the us to be anything but a criminal organisation.
mircea_popescu: <mats> in my opinion, this is a fundamentally irreconcilable difference between govt agents and intel agents << idealised intel agents. like idealised doctors or lawyers, doing "liberal professions". like naggum's idealised "real programmers". problem is, these people don't exist in the counts you might wish to employ. they exist in short supply.
mircea_popescu: <mats> i get the impression that most americans accept as fact that torture is ineffective << for sure. do you know what else they accept ? that "free markets don't work" and that "socialism is democracy" and all sorts of similar things. do you know why they accept them ? because they want to believe. 16 yo 7/10 valley girl also believes she's "beautiful" and that "she really has a chance". why wouldn't she, as far as
mircea_popescu: it's like saying "wifebeating works as a matrimonial pacification tool".
mircea_popescu: mats> relying on a source that's been tortured, now, thats not useful, but thats why you verify the information... << it's complicated. generally, by the time you have to torture people you're dead in the water.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, hence all teh soviet shiteating jokes.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> is it weird << notrly. like you know, if you hear a "sailor" talk about "Ships falling off the earth margin" you can also suspect they're the 15yo fibbing variety of seawolf.
mircea_popescu: "we are the clueless horde because everyone is clueless because we are clueless because everyone is clueless because that's all that exists because that's what we are because that's what one should be because that's what one can be because that's what we think because that's what we are because that's what we'ver seen because..."
mircea_popescu: the self-feeding circle of shit. "shit out because shit in because shit out because shit in because..."
mircea_popescu: "When those voices are the only ones heard, it makes wider adoption and acceptance less likely." <<< so says... who ?
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> for many of the redditards it is a ~feels~ social movement, rather than a macro-economic force of nature << like everything else. like, that's all they got.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'The CIA did not hold any detainees after April 2008.' <<< "the fed won't monetise the debt"
mircea_popescu: demi bouteille of that an' she's giggling like god meant woman to giggle.
mircea_popescu: TomServo best way to loosen up neurotic sort of chick is half white wine / half warm water enema.
mircea_popescu: it would suck on the long term unless very carefully formulated, but otherwise...
mircea_popescu: punkman: gribble exists before otc I think << yea was born in #bitcoin iirc, 2010s
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: don't be a dick about us Riccardo's << what do you use him for ?
mircea_popescu: mats nothing like post-pregnancy scare celebration sex << her first threesome will top it.
mircea_popescu: <undata> this idea that you can get dumb people to do smart things if only you find a way to put smart behind a single button mouse is a terrible religion << dude so true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice how nobody mentions the "fix your bdb max nodes thing"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you know said ignition happened once already.
mircea_popescu: undata there's excellent reasons not to worry about that.
mircea_popescu: perhaps this latter also different from a purely numeric ai
mircea_popescu: that's different from a mathematically bound ai, no matter how clever
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, to be its own thing, posing a threat.
mircea_popescu: a purely mathematical language won't ever matter politically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, until such a time as natural language works for coding, there won't be the "evil ai" whatever guy's worried about.
mircea_popescu: iang well alternatively there's always the half year's lurking an' reading logs.
mircea_popescu: probably the most important thing you can say right off.
mircea_popescu: iang so about this two decade cryptohistory of yours ?