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asciilifeform: alice_: where do you keep the lambda on your physical kbd ?
trinque: there's a whole genre of japanese porn of this
asciilifeform: manned, so to speak, on both ends.
mircea_popescu: aw fuck.... this is vaguely familiar...
asciilifeform: there was a box for a head at the outlet.
mircea_popescu: possibly ? what'd it invert to ?
asciilifeform: i cannot help but think of it now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didntcha post a photo of an invertible toilet once?
asciilifeform: who had the honour of being suspected of being gabriel_laddel-in-his-cups
alice_: i can do Normal Startup Coding Style if i want to, i just hate it so i don't when i don't have to
ben_vulpes: (but hey that particular porno is worth a watch, and that particular report of wastage entertaining)
alice_: asciilifeform: ? like, if i paste the last several lines into it, i get \n -#'-:<>?LMX[\]-\_a-pr-zʳʷʸζᴱᴵᴼᴾ-ᵂᵉᵒᵖ-ᵘⁱ│
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nobody's claiming the dollars are ever well spent, or that fucking is done in some new way
alice_: asciilifeform: prints a regex character class which matches all of the code points in utf8 stdin
ben_vulpes: "at which point we had ready teams hot on airfields on 2 continents!"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as opposed to well-spent on other missions?
ben_vulpes: "hooo boy lemme tell you about the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on *that* mission!"
ben_vulpes: same guy was running ops when they took the f22s over the international date line
ben_vulpes: typeset properly and segregated vault-reading from home-reading as the story goes
alice_: e.g. ML is a sharp, crystalline beauty, mostly useless for my direct purpose but v inspiring, 'cuz it's got several neat patterns that i don't see in most popular environments
asciilifeform: alice_: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/regex_set.ζ << what, then, is this?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so they printed them ?
alice_: asciilifeform: never used any of those. a fan of some of their patterns. i'm a fan of a lot of patterns i've seen in a lot of different existing programming environments.
ben_vulpes: and also, approximating his words "look with all the software problems they'd already delivered in the planes i wasn't about to impose more on the poor pilots during their studies. plus, opportunity to hose the suppliers."
ben_vulpes: subject of manuals, a onetime airforce honcho straigh up vetoed the delivery of f22 manuals in xml (!), as pilots couldn't take the un-sensitive stuff home without also taking the sensitive stuff home as it was delivered
ben_vulpes: ofc blame it on the crew, what is lockheed to deliver serviceable machines with complete manuals all of a sudden?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i recall a month or so ago when this happened and they tried to blame it on the crew.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, womenz also can't keep seawater out of their engine lube system, which is why surffucking is so strictly limited to teenagers.
ben_vulpes: if even that
mircea_popescu: how many were they ? a dozen yet ?
ben_vulpes: in other news, the much-maligned littoral combat ships can't keep water out of their engine lube systems and so the surface force commander has ordered the entire 'fleet' stand down
mircea_popescu: what do you think an insult is ?
alice_: i take it back, your insults are annoying
mircea_popescu is vaguely unsurprised that rando who spends his time vaguely considering "invertible compilers" for, obviously, javascript, has yet to actually produce a definition for itself.
alice_: i'm alice. i haven't interacted with this channel before. but i don't imagine that's the answer you're hoping for ☟︎
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:56:09] <asciilifeform> i could live the rest of my life without infix, quite happily.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:111/to:111#111 << it's funny that THIS antipattern you recognize. yes, it's the macula of intellectual degeneracy ; and not coincidentally rapspeech is fulla infixen.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:53:54] <alice_> afaict christopher alexander is using "pattern" to mean a basic component of language, not the thing which macros remove
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:102/to:102#102 << guy does what usians are known for, take random item from the scenery, write his name on it, strut around proudly.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:06:18] <asciilifeform> 'Really, I think it’s too late for mainstream “Linux”. It’s gone. It’s done. Geeks of the world were easily fooled by a shiny new toy and a corporate propaganda campaign to match, without considering the engineering implications. You can still use a real (systemd-free) version of Linux, or move toward the BSDs, but if you stay with the
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:50/to:50#50 << this much is certainly true
alice_: you give cute insults tho
mircea_popescu: just a stray thought.
mircea_popescu: is this gabriel laddel v2.0 or ?
boolcrap: at our old job we hired him just so he would come out to lunch with us
boolcrap: he is actually the most interesting man alive
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this then
trinque: can't argue with that.
alice_: & the syntax is similar to a literal keyboard when possible
alice_: the program structure is similar to its syntax. in this case, the code for shift is ⇧ and can be typed by ⏻⇧
trinque: what do you think it means?
alice_: sort of, i think i misuse homoiconic
alice_: i don't think as easy without shit like x/2 and list[:-1]
alice_: i seriously tried lisp, i spent hundreds of hours coding in a variety of lisps, including clojure (ugh) and arc (lovely but it was for a production web server and it was completely unsuited to the purpose)
alice_: i haven't figured out how to scale them up to something as syntax-complicated as javascript but i've found 80/20s pretty useful for practical infixy needs
alice_: invertible compilers solve that problem tho pretty nicely
alice_: seems to be a lot more natural language for a lot of humans for a lot of things
asciilifeform: i could live the rest of my life without infix, quite happily.
boolcrap: they have me doing odd jobs, doing prep work for a RE course they teaching at UM
asciilifeform: lel boolcrap , what have you even been doing all of this time.
boolcrap: im going to stan the crap out of these guys in your honor!
boolcrap: i set the bar very low for myself
alice_: afaict christopher alexander is using "pattern" to mean a basic component of language, not the thing which macros remove
boolcrap: i finally got official access to the place i am a contractor for
boolcrap: had to google, then pasted pad.
asciilifeform: macro ~removes~ pattern. as in increasing the entropy (per, say, kolmogorov, or even chaitin's criterion) of the program.
alice_: right, macro is an excellent way to use patterns in code (and is itself a pattern)
alice_: {A Pattern Language} is a book about the specific pattern language he built for architecture; http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Ecological_Building/The_Timeless_Way_of_Building_Complete.pdf is the theory book
asciilifeform: which is not a bad thing.
asciilifeform: http://www.rainmagazine.com/archive/2014/gatemaker << reads like ted nelson.
alice_: i read http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401. it doesn't mention design patterns. i'm p sure i can guess correctly the bad thing it's complaining about, but i didn't get a model for how design patterns are a language bug
asciilifeform: i'ma read the thing anyway, because i am an 'entomologist'.
shinohai: Glad I could do my part to make it economically viable for you.
alice_: if i had a dollar every time somebody made that joke
shinohai wonders if this is the alice_ he is always reading about in gpg manuals.
alice_: that's the one
asciilifeform: 'Christopher Alexander is Emeritus Professor of Architecture at the University of California, Berkeley, best known for his seminal works on architecture including A Pattern Language, Notes on the Synthesis of Form, and The Nature of Order, Volumes I-IV. He is the father of the Pattern Language movement in computer science, and A Pattern Language was perhaps the first complete book ever written in hypertext fashion.'
alice_: mm. it's a mix of theoretical and applied architecture. generalizes nicely to all of design.
asciilifeform: can't say that i have.
alice_: hi! today i'm reading {The Timeless Way of Building}. i'm curious if you've read anything by Christopher Alexander
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wiki.tulpa.info/Official/FAQ << a (supposed) reader mailed this in. parody? or...
asciilifeform: ng yourself, and they’re fooling you. Nor will systemd be the end of it – it’s just the beginning, the setup for future changes.'
asciilifeform: 'Really, I think it’s too late for mainstream “Linux”. It’s gone. It’s done. Geeks of the world were easily fooled by a shiny new toy and a corporate propaganda campaign to match, without considering the engineering implications. You can still use a real (systemd-free) version of Linux, or move toward the BSDs, but if you stay with the easy-to-use, polished distros, you’re no longer really using Linux. You’re just fooli
asciilifeform: hoose to use corporate-maintained tools like OpenSSL, which are deeply compromised. Do you think the people responsible for HeartBleed were held accountable, and fundamental changes were made? Guess again. It’s simply ignored by most of Linux. (You’ll notice real UNIXes like OpenBSD did not ignore it and have begun serious changes. Yet even there, it took such a serious, obvious exploit for them to see the engineering problem.)'
asciilifeform: 'Remember Heartbleed? Don’t let that example escape your attention. OpenSSL is open, yet it is so large and poorly designed that it’s a dark mystery. Heartbleed was easily shown to be a deliberate hack, and was even deliberately coded to hide itself from tools that would otherwise have shown the leak. And it was sitting there in ‘open’ sight. Instead of using small, well-reviewed crypto libraries, corporate Linux developers c
asciilifeform: same fella still shouts into the wilderness, e.g., https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/ ,
asciilifeform: litism, simply put. The 1%. ... It’s much like politics – one wants to throw out the lot of them and start from scratch with real people. I know for a fact I don’t want either of these people working on security-related code in MY OS. Get lost, permanently!'
asciilifeform: ' Anyone who doesn’t know what he knows or who doesn’t behave/speak in the conventional way these developers speak is merely a troll, not worthy to partake in a discussion among the priests. And in his view Henson is simply too big to fail, too big to be held accountable for his actions, in this or any case, because he is part of the crypto establishment. We see these same patterns in politics and banking for example – it’s e
asciilifeform: from somewhere therein, moar gold,
asciilifeform: 'These aren't people assembled for an actual reason, as a result of merits. These are people whose merits are supposed to be predicated on the mere fact of having been assembled. Not quite the same thing.'
a111: Logged on 2014-08-16 21:39 asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.'
asciilifeform: umably come into effect at the beginning of next year.'
asciilifeform: 'While the Data Protection Commissioner was examining the BND in Bad Aibling, the secret service ramped up its equipment for 300 million Euros. And while the Commissioner waited for an answer to her report from the Chancellery, the government drafted a reform bill for the BND that not only legalizes the organization’s actions, but even increases its powers. This legislative package is scheduled to be adopted this year and will pres
asciilifeform: 'The Data Protection Commissioner is convinced, her supervision authority also extends „to SUSLAG and its staff members“. Therefore, she wanted to inspect this core area of BND-NSA collaboration. But the BND also blocked these attempts. The Commissioner and her staff are not allowed to enter the building and not even allowed to know how many people work there...'
mircea_popescu: just in case anyone's weird tank was running low, http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/claudia-jordan-admits-to-abortion/
BingoBoingo: You don't need to add the whole thing. Just the steps and the traditions.
shinohai considers adding the Big Book to the scriptorium for BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: brb sobriety time!
BingoBoingo: I am trying too
mircea_popescu: do you recall this thing ?