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trinque: there's a whole genre of japanese porn of
this
alice_: i can do Normal Startup Coding Style if i want
to, i just hate it so i don't when i don't have
to
ben_vulpes: (but hey
that particular porno is worth a watch, and
that particular report of wastage entertaining)
alice_: asciilifeform: ? like, if i paste
the last several lines into it, i get \n -#'-:<>?LMX[\]-\_a-pr-zʳʷʸζᴱᴵᴼᴾ-ᵂᵉᵒᵖ-ᵘⁱ│
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nobody's claiming
the dollars are ever well spent, or
that fucking is done in some new way
alice_: asciilifeform: prints a regex character class which matches all of
the code points in utf8 stdin
ben_vulpes: "at which point we had ready
teams hot on airfields on 2 continents!"
ben_vulpes: "hooo boy lemme
tell you about
the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on *that* mission!"
ben_vulpes: same guy was running ops when
they
took
the f22s over
the international date line
ben_vulpes: typeset properly and segregated vault-reading from home-reading as
the story goes
alice_: e.g. ML is a sharp, crystalline beauty, mostly useless for my direct purpose but v inspiring, 'cuz it's got several neat patterns
that i don't see in most popular environments
alice_: asciilifeform: never used any of
those. a fan of some of
their patterns. i'm a fan of a lot of patterns i've seen in a lot of different existing programming environments.
ben_vulpes: and also, approximating his words "look with all
the software problems
they'd already delivered in
the planes i wasn't about
to impose more on
the poor pilots during
their studies. plus, opportunity
to hose
the suppliers."
ben_vulpes: subject of manuals, a onetime airforce honcho straigh up vetoed
the delivery of f22 manuals in xml (!), as pilots couldn't
take
the un-sensitive stuff home without also
taking
the sensitive stuff home as it was delivered
ben_vulpes: ofc blame it on
the crew, what is lockheed
to deliver serviceable machines with complete manuals all of a sudden?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i recall a month or so ago when
this happened and
they
tried
to blame it on
the crew.
mircea_popescu: come
to
think of it, womenz also can't keep seawater out of
their engine lube system, which is why surffucking is so strictly limited
to
teenagers.
ben_vulpes: in other news,
the much-maligned littoral combat ships can't keep water out of
their engine lube systems and so
the surface force commander has ordered
the entire 'fleet' stand down
alice_: i
take it back, your insults are annoying
mircea_popescu is vaguely unsurprised
that rando who spends his
time vaguely considering "invertible compilers" for, obviously, javascript, has yet
to actually produce a definition for itself.
alice_: i'm alice. i haven't interacted with
this channel before. but i don't imagine
that's
the answer you're hoping for
☟︎ scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:56:09] <asciilifeform> i could live
the rest of my life without infix, quite happily.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:53:54] <alice_> afaict christopher alexander is using "pattern"
to mean a basic component of language, not
the
thing which macros remove
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:06:18] <asciilifeform> 'Really, I
think it’s
too late for mainstream “Linux”. It’s gone. It’s done. Geeks of
the world were easily fooled by a shiny new
toy and a corporate propaganda campaign
to match, without considering
the engineering implications. You can still use a real (systemd-free) version of Linux, or move
toward
the BSDs, but if you stay with
the
alice_: you give cute insults
tho
boolcrap: at our old job we hired him just so he would come out
to lunch with us
boolcrap: he is actually
the most interesting man alive
alice_: &
the syntax is similar
to a literal keyboard when possible
alice_: the program structure is similar
to its syntax. in
this case,
the code for shift is ⇧ and can be
typed by ⏻⇧
trinque: what do you
think it means?
alice_: sort of, i
think i misuse homoiconic
alice_: i don't
think as easy without shit like x/2 and list[:-1]
alice_: i seriously
tried lisp, i spent hundreds of hours coding in a variety of lisps, including clojure (ugh) and arc (lovely but it was for a production web server and it was completely unsuited
to
the purpose)
alice_: i haven't figured out how
to scale
them up
to something as syntax-complicated as javascript but i've found 80/20s pretty useful for practical infixy needs
alice_: invertible compilers solve
that problem
tho pretty nicely
alice_: seems
to be a lot more natural language for a lot of humans for a lot of
things
boolcrap: they have me doing odd jobs, doing prep work for a RE course
they
teaching at UM
boolcrap: im going
to stan
the crap out of
these guys in your honor!
boolcrap: i set
the bar very low for myself
alice_: afaict christopher alexander is using "pattern"
to mean a basic component of language, not
the
thing which macros remove
boolcrap: i finally got official access
to
the place i am a contractor for
boolcrap: had
to google,
then pasted pad.
alice_: right, macro is an excellent way
to use patterns in code (and is itself a pattern)
alice_: i read
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401. it doesn't mention design patterns. i'm p sure i can guess correctly
the bad
thing it's complaining about, but i didn't get a model for how design patterns are a language bug
shinohai: Glad I could do my part
to make it economically viable for you.
alice_: if i had a dollar every
time somebody made
that joke
shinohai wonders if
this is
the alice_ he is always reading about in gpg manuals.
alice_: mm. it's a mix of
theoretical and applied architecture. generalizes nicely
to all of design.
alice_: hi!
today i'm reading {The
Timeless Way of Building}. i'm curious if you've read anything by Christopher Alexander
a111: Logged on 2014-08-16 21:39 asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for
this, and if you ask again
there will be problems.'
BingoBoingo: You don't need
to add
the whole
thing. Just
the steps and
the
traditions.
shinohai considers adding
the Big Book
to
the scriptorium for BingoBoingo