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trinque: or did the idiots simply outfuck
mircea_popescu: guess what ? it turned out 30 years of research and a whole discipline was... stillborn.
mircea_popescu: back in like...2005 iirc ? 2008 maybe ? a guy used foia to get ALL the studies on antidepressant medicine. because you know, everyone had to file them with the fda.
asciilifeform: if 1 bloke rolls over and dies of meh - that's 1 weirdo fewer
asciilifeform: epidemiology is not canceled simply on account of inability to point finger to a physical agent.
mircea_popescu: dude... what scientific discipline isn't stillborn in the land of the suto ? seriously now.
mircea_popescu: the principal symptom of major depressive disorder is the delusional notion on the part of the patient that his self-enacted emotional state has some sort of physical existence independent of himself.
asciilifeform: and cannot see how anyone with half a brain could conceive of this.
asciilifeform: i do not believe that it was a natural occurrence.
asciilifeform: witness the stillbirth of cryptography as a scientific discipline.
asciilifeform: but no, that's not it.
mircea_popescu: you ready to bring me a mol of "depression" gas ?
asciilifeform: i can already picture mircea_popescu as ww1 officer. green cloud rolls over trench, grunts coughing out their lungs, 'stop being obnoxious bitchez!111'
mircea_popescu: these two aren't related.
asciilifeform: well, invulnerable to 'atmosphere'
asciilifeform: ya ya all these earthlings are idiots and only on this dirigible i'm d'artagnan ok.
mircea_popescu: idiots have no room in this world, which is why i hear their father got some real estate waiting for them somewhere else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yep. and they were right.
mircea_popescu: the emotional color of "atmosphere" is exactly of the same origin as the "feelings" furries perceive in animals' eyes : psychogenic.
asciilifeform: british soldiers carting in convoy of rotgut barrels to distribute to australian abos, betcha, also said 'drunks' choices!' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: drunks' choices are theirs to make, what am i, borderline ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every time some dude goes 'i could try and spend 20yr and maybe come up with a sane basis for crypto --- or there's that bottle of whisky. and it looks moar like a deal' hitler wins.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this, "atmosphere". stop being an obnoxious bitch, that's the atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude gtfo. "hitler maintains". tell you what, if i fill a room with depressive thirty-yo-crisis chicks it's gonna be that "the room" has "an atmosphere". then if i kick them out and in the same atmosphere introduce happy-go-lucky nineteen year olds, suddenly the same room "has an atmosphere" of juvenile enthusiasm.
PeterL: Guy in prison uses a spoon to dig tunnel out, pops up in a playground, jumps up and down shouting "I'm free, I'm free." A little girl walks up to him and says "So what? I'm four!"
asciilifeform: the other thing about the boecks is that hitler maintains - quite successfully - an atmosphere of despair and intellectual death
mircea_popescu: or to quote voltaire, "i'm too old to make new friends."
asciilifeform: the occasional prisoner does dig the proverbial spoon tunnel and makes a break for it.
mircea_popescu: there's ~0 risk taleb shows up here.
mircea_popescu: odds are that most of those "susceptible to sanity" are more or less caught in a prison of their own making, elliot style. would you blame isla vista for the guy's issues ?
asciilifeform: boeck et al is to reduce the risk that taleb shows up here. etc ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ie, the dumb and deaf scion of a drunk and a whore.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i don't buy into this "people good but evil govenrment corrupts". as near as i can see, "people suck and government does the best it can, as their product."
mircea_popescu: the pretense that they may start any minute now is broadly speaking that - a pretense. who knows, maybe you send the advance fee.
mircea_popescu: the folks "susceptible to sanity" are like the women "susceptible to porn queening". honey, if they were gonna they'd have been doing it already.
asciilifeform: the objective of enemy is to keep'em 'in the dark & eatin' shit'
mircea_popescu: i doubt this.
mircea_popescu: "we control the vertical and the" "how come i can't have a fucking gallon of gas ?" "oh sorry about that... nothing we can do."
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, there is a population of folks susceptible to sanity. who, were they to show up here, by same happenstance, e.g., asciilifeform , did, would stand constructively on tmsr side.
mircea_popescu: it barely holds together as a thing, and adversarially only.
asciilifeform: this leads into the sacramental question of why 'control the vertical and the horizontal! gott mit uns!111' is a thing at all.
mircea_popescu: because powerless.1 === powerless.2 even from an orbit more interior than pluto's.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may find power analysis a useful tool in this discussion. what exactly CAN any of these do ?
mircea_popescu: upon examination it came out that neither have any relation to the thing they were posturing in front of.
mircea_popescu: verty until I saw an opportunity to be a member of the great Illuminati brotherhood and I took my chances and I have been a member for close to three years now and the higher you get the richer you become." whereas gavin started life pretending to be in charge of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the only difference being that khaleed started life pretending to, and here i quote, "I am one of the agents sent by the high priest to bring as many of those who are interested in becoming a member of the Illuminati to the great Illuminati temple,am a traditional herbalist healer and no problem without a solution to me but I was ones like you I could not evening feed my family what kind of life was that to live I lived in po
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 18:32 mircea_popescu: aha. except there's no "you've been inmissed". the way words work in actual languages is that you institute (say a rule) and you destitute (eg a functionary).
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537491 << you can say somebody was instituted into a position when they are given a job ☝︎
asciilifeform: and there's a chair up YOUR arse
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like how a train wreck is just another train wreck, unless it's ~YOUR~ train wreck
asciilifeform: trinque: there was no 'merit' implied in 'anointed poodle'
trinque: one just won the hitler lottery
asciilifeform: from the parking orbit of mircea_popescu's dirigible, somewhere past pluto, both look quite similar yes.
mircea_popescu: i see not this difference.
asciilifeform: one starts on front page of völkischer beobachter and american tv, the other - sits in cafes sadly and wonders why it gets 51%ed for 7th time
mircea_popescu: ironically, both eth and whatever-that-was got raped. i'm all ears, you picked like the worst examples conceivable.
asciilifeform: it is not especially hard to distinguish gavin from covertress
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, re the derp circus : as long as you publish on the internet, there's going to be some "businessman" trying to republish your content, and spam it around. none of this is particulary surprising or worth the mention or anything. not like original publication isn't firmly established. so let them beat up the wall until they've had enough or the bezzle runs out, whichever.
mircea_popescu: "noun". what the everloving fuck "noun". you mean substantive ? "oh no mp, that's an adverb". "doubleplusmata."\
mircea_popescu: then mp is all fucking annoyed, "wtf is with these idiots, they rip out some bit off culture, give it a name and strut around". doh. this is what the fucking language trains them to do in the first place.
mircea_popescu: at least hungarians know they've been cursed with stupid. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure there is a cure. "oh foreign languages are hard." "well of fucking course they're are, you frittered away your 3-5yo interval of brain plasticity on learning adspeak."
asciilifeform: it is a brain-melter to the poor natives, most of'em never get past own initial 'la la can't hear you' reaction
mircea_popescu: it's not "the environment" vaguely like that. it is, first and foremost, the language.
asciilifeform: (man inheriting monkey land also spends time scraping off monkey turds, but process is only superficially similar)
mircea_popescu: and then ends up predictably stupid in a certain way. /me thinks "environment" is not properly said to be a large factor - other than poor genetics of being sheepfuckers in the first place - in the apparition of SUTO.
asciilifeform: monkey inheriting man's tools rips the 'excess' knobs off, first thing.
mircea_popescu: shinohai lol. it's "you've been destituted" though. because you know, there's a functioning of past participle
asciilifeform: take their 'losing' various features
shinohai: Would be funny to translate that as "You will now be destitute"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: degeneration to monkey is directly observable with naked eye among the englishers
mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to en "ati fost concediat"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile english is basically this language of some superficial twerps who noticed the effects (destitute, ie poor, right ? institute, ie, the building where they do them town things, right ?)
mircea_popescu: aha. except there's no "you've been inmissed". the way words work in actual languages is that you institute (say a rule) and you destitute (eg a functionary). ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to en "ati fost destituit"
trinque: you will not fix TCP/IP with teh botz
trinque: better to clearly define the work, then solve simply and move on.
Framedragger: it's not really reliable. but i may just be doing that slippery slope insane adversary thing myself here. :/
trinque: Framedragger: hostmask hides IP if you want that, so get hostmask for your bot
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1l7D
Framedragger: of course of course; but as was stated multiple times, it's about making things more *difficult* / costly for adversaries. you can always slippery slope into "such powerful adversary with infinite motivation" and win the argument - and that's legit, sure
trinque: Framedragger: freenode rate limits messages; how am I going to ddos a bot
trinque: it's text you're serving, not porn vids
trinque: also know that one properly configured nginx should be able to handle massive amounts of traffic
Framedragger: not in terms of bigbro collection stuff, but in terms of making it more difficult to ddos
trinque: having the www separate, yes
trinque: you do realize also that freenode might as well be owned by hitler
Framedragger: the "but kant" homage to mp (maybe?) made me lol btw :D
Framedragger: well i'm just returning the snark eh :p
ben_vulpes: oh teh snark
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [17:46:20] <ben_vulpes> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537219 << have you read trinque's logbot yet?
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:798/to:798#798 << yeah i have! it's really neat. have you? :) the larger part of the code is in trinque's *ircbot*, btw. logbot plugs in very nicely. but fact of the matter is, http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/irc_logging.txt would be orthogonal, i.e. the two can be devleoped independently, to a degree
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 18:49 mircea_popescu: pretty ridoinculous seeing how half the time i fuck girl with knees together.
asciilifeform: this pill, like other pills, only works if YOU TAKE IT however.
trinque: if you *bother* to write something worth writing, you are free from that task thereafter
trinque: this is one of the blessings of V.
trinque: but on the subj, I didn't put together a bot and the wot mechanics to like, run in there and make my name!
trinque has nfi which thing about kant
phf: i think it's an elaborate spoof of mp/ascii dialogues