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mircea_popescu: it does. because if it doesn't know me, it can't answer
to my syn now can it.
mircea_popescu: understand, from
the fact you observe deedbot has accepted my order you do not know anything other
than
that -
to DEEDBOT it is acceptable. ie, you're uysing a priest.
this is fine.
mircea_popescu: except a working model of 1 is already both deployed and
theoretically understood, as described above.
mircea_popescu: shinohai we'rte
talking from
the pov of
the lord not
the pleb here. priest does exactly as
told or else fucks goats in
the receptive sense of
the
term.
mircea_popescu: if you have signed matter,
then definite
things can be said. otherwise - you need a priest.
mircea_popescu: the "decrypt
to whatever you want" part is not about
the rsagram itself, but about
the structure of relationships.
mircea_popescu: in any case rsa signatures are contrary
to
this, however.
mircea_popescu: no "you can't decrypt it". but "you can decrypt it, of course.
to anything you wish."|
mircea_popescu: what's more important is
that gossipd works like otp : "sure you can decrypt
this
text mr evil. WHAT would you like it
to decrypt
to ?"
mircea_popescu: so i signed nothing and yet IT (and only it) could know it was me.
this is important.
mircea_popescu: you're switching
things.
the point is
that deedbot knows it is really me ; not vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: here's
the handshake : syn -> 5db1fee4b5703808c48078a76768b155b421b210c0761cd6a5d223f4d99f1eaa -> 1337 -> ack.
mircea_popescu: yeah,
they are. much like deedbot distinguishes above.
mircea_popescu: a gossipd
that requires me
to sign anything is not
to any degree interesting.
mircea_popescu: anyway. identity doesn't need signature
to be checked. behold :
mircea_popescu: this is not only a ridiculous hope, but contrary
to design principle.
the point of gossipd is
that he sees.
mircea_popescu: well,
the principal difference between gossipd-for-v and gossipd-proper is
that v operates on signed matter exclusively ; gossipd-proper operates on unsigned matter exclusively.
mircea_popescu: certainly it is not contemplated here
thatg anyone would be forced
to run v
to get gossipd. heck, i don't even believe such "forcing" would be in principle possible.
mircea_popescu: eventually
they separate, if
they do, or
the nodule dies off/gets resorbed in
the main
trunk, or
the
trunk dies off and
the nodule continues it instead, or or or.
mircea_popescu: still, you know - most everything extant
today started life as a nodule on something else. nothing wrong with
this in principle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can't "bolt
things"
to items
that do not exist.
mircea_popescu: most designs suffer a lot of changes when one
tries
to actually implement
them, which is why prototypes exist in
the first place.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: also,
talk about increased attack surface / complexity
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well
the whole point is
to stop wondering.
Framedragger: right. wonder if it's any harder
to have
the p2p part be separate. it can create a local mountpoint which would just be additional folders/files for V
to process
mircea_popescu: Framedragger gotta start somewhere. but yes, you intuit correctly,
that's where it's headed.
Framedragger: why not have p2p client for stuff like
this but which would be agnostic
to internals of V, and separate from V? it can use V's .wot,
tho
mircea_popescu: anyway.
this "separation of concerns" objection would have a lot more meat on its imaginary bones if
there actually eixsted any sort of gossipd. as
there doesn't,
the objection has no legs
to stand on.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 10:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform mod6
trinque et all : what would you
think about adding a p2p client
to V ? it'd be like a daemon which listens for connections from peers and maintains lists of pressables.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [00:55:24] <mod6>
This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn't make it a one-button-push solution. Why? A person would need
to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync
the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press
the
tree,
then navigate into
the pressed
tree, and
then `make`.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#23 << yes mod6 but
to clarify : "one button" refers
to
the situation where
the user already has a
trusted copy of V, and a .sig directory populated as per his
taste.
these are part of
the definition of identity, and going forward can and should be assumed present.
mircea_popescu: we could make it work on udp, and initiate sessions
through encrypting a large prime
to
the destination's key or some equivalent implementation, so we get
to
test alf's new-internet-order ideas also.
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform mod6
trinque et all : what would you
think about adding a p2p client
to V ? it'd be like a daemon which listens for connections from peers and maintains lists of pressables.
☟︎☟︎ scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [06:35:04] <Framedragger> will make it so previous links on e.g. your site don't break; just
that default links generated when clicking don't include
the
thing
Framedragger: omg attempting
https on
trilema.com gives common name = server1.nigger.com, email = ssl@server1.nigger.com -- l0l0l.
Framedragger: will make it so previous links on e.g. your site don't break; just
that default links generated when clicking don't include
the
thing
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 19:04 asciilifeform: british soldiers carting in convoy of rotgut barrels
to distribute
to australian abos, betcha, also said 'drunks' choices!'
pete_dushenski:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537575 <<
this
ties in very neatly
the never-ending
thread about
the meaning and definition of intelligence, particularly
the angle about 'intelligent' being best used
to describe an individual's actions ex post facto. injun is a genius only for as long as his world is of low complexity. when whitey comes over and opens pandora's box on his ass, complexity explodes and
☝︎ pete_dushenski: nvm
that jalopnik is a gawker property. if you stick with
their hungarian writers, particularly peter orosz and mate petrany, you'll learn some mega-nifty and uber-arcane shit.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 18:37 mircea_popescu: at least hungarians know
they've been cursed with stupid.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:40 asciilifeform: 'Data coming from
true random number generators is never 100% random. I am aware of no exceptions. Whitening is required in all cases before
the data is suitable for use in cryptography.' << from first link
pete_dushenski: obviously, "i
told you so" and $5 will buy you coffee. and
that it used
to be $2 for coffee is neither here nor
there.
pete_dushenski: petard, it's a rare
treat for yours
truly
to be able
to say as much in
this company.
pete_dushenski: re:
taleb, it's also worth noting
that way back in 2014 i was ~the sole voice saying
that camgirl vids weren't going
to
turn his crank and bring him here, in
the face of "oh but he's still a dude, pete" opposition, no less. whereas alf regularly gets
to say "i
told you so" whenever another flaw in
the shitstack of personal computing is revealed, or mp whenever another usg muppet hoists himself on his own
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:14 PeterL: speaking of books, mircea_popescu have you read "The Prince" by Machiavelli? I have been reading it and for some reason it made me
think of you (though I expect you would read it in
the original Italian?)
pete_dushenski: both are ~$60/hr if anyone cares
to compare
their geography at home
pete_dushenski: strange market forces observation of
the day : moving guys (ie. pure muscle) command
the same going rate as qualified plumbers (ie. skilled
trade). perhaps both are equally scarce relative
to demand, or else
the mover's rates just appear higher due
to higher-than-plumber overhead (trucks, mechanics, garages, etc.). either way, it's always fun
to figure out how
the cookie crumbles.
pete_dushenski: blaming
the 'atmosphere' on
the modest (but non-zero!) number of folks walking
through
the #trilema door is akin
to blaming 'society'
that you can't get an erection. it's not
the
talking head's fault
that your wife's ugly.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 18:58 asciilifeform: boeck et al is
to reduce
the risk
that
taleb shows up here. etc
mod6: ah, ok
then. have a good night.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 02:22 asciilifeform: mod6: dunno
that vtronic builds will ever be a 'most people' affair.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 02:09 mircea_popescu: Framedragger can we stop having
this "multiline" bs unless specifically
togled on somehow ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 02:22 asciilifeform: mod6: dunno
that vtronic builds will ever be a 'most people' affair.
phf: asciilifeform: you don't want
to know.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 02:17 mod6: i'll see where i can get
to with
this new idea. however, a person would have
to do
this
to build
the entire
thing: get v; verify v; put vpatches, seals, and keys in place; press;
then navigate
to pressed dir,
then `make`.
phf: asciilifeform: have you
tried contacting one of
the dedicated bible printing shops?
they could possibly do a small batch for you. spend int, sell
the rest
through wot
trinque: needs
to end up in /usr/local/bin/v handily