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a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 14:36 mod6: someday, when we have a
tmsr cryptolib & rsa-o-matic, maybe we can starting building a gossipd prototype.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 15:26 phf: btw is it possible
to chosen-ciphertext attack gpg if it were
to sit on
the wire?
mod6: phf: ah, indeed
then, we should rework it with what we've since discussed and rethought since 2015 or whenever, and see if a prototyping process can begin.
phf: we had a
thread about it
two weeks ago, where
the conclusion was
that gossipd as written in
the only available spec has all kinds of problems and shouldn't be implemented/used
mod6: more
than anything, i just want
to be able
to contribue a bit better
to
these gossipd discussions - which will be a vital part of
the infrastructure.
mod6: very much appreciated, and my apologies if
the original is still on point.
mircea_popescu: ima publish an updated
thing, at least give discussion some sort of basis
that's not 19 months out of date.
mod6: i'd have
to dig it up, but i
thought
there was a
trilema
that outlined
the 'spec' back a while ago.
mircea_popescu: come
to
think of it, is
there such a
thing as a gossipd spec even ? what's
the current canonical version ?
mod6: haha. indeed, hopefully will rid myself of
these labors someday soon.
shinohai: I
take it your female java shadow isn't
there?
mod6: but, maybe
the first step,
to recognize Framedragger, is
to update
the spec.
there has been much discussion about
this, and maybe I'm having a hard
time keeping all of
the details in my head.
mod6: i don't want
to disagree with what I just said here: <+mod6> a lot of new questions and discussions will arise once someone starts
to prototype gossipd out.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6:
the correct pill is
to decouple (at least from enemy's pov) gossip station keys from royal keys. << so
to clairify
this a bit, at least for myself,
the gossipd node
that I run and operate would verify
transmissions sent
to it with mod6-battlestation-key, but when I would actually go
to send something out it would sign with mod6 "royal" or "personal" key?
☟︎ mod6: well, indeed, if it continues
to be useful and oft used.
shinohai: I agree with
trinque
tho
that V has a place in /usr/bin/local of
the future
mod6: a lot of new questions and discussions will arise once someone starts
to prototype gossipd out.
mod6: yeah, forgot about
that. anyway, i appreciate interesting ideas.
mod6: oh wait, forgot about
the wonky-fan
shinohai: mircea_popescu may have inhaled
toxic black smoke from poorly manufactured Argentine electronics mod6
mod6: someday, when we have a
tmsr cryptolib & rsa-o-matic, maybe we can starting building a gossipd prototype.
☟︎ mod6: V has a future. interesting
to
think about where it may go from here.
mod6: and mine can be used, 100% in
the same way. im not even sure
that i fully agree
that mine should do what it does. you and I both, seperately have wrestled with
this
thought.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 10:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform mod6
trinque et all : what would you
think about adding a p2p client
to V ? it'd be like a daemon which listens for connections from peers and maintains lists of pressables.
mod6: <+asciilifeform>
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538037 << lel what has mircea_popescu been drinking...? << It is an intersting
thought; a distributed V, which rails against
the complaints of "omfg another centralized piece of equipment!!11"
☝︎ scriba: Logged on 2016-09-09: [00:55:24] <mod6>
This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn't make it a one-button-push solution. Why? A person would need
to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync
the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press
the
tree,
then navigate into
the pressed
tree, and
then `make`.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu>
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#23 << yes mod6 but
to clarify : "one button" refers
to
the situation where
the user already has a
trusted copy of V, and a .sig directory populated as per his
taste.
these are part of
the definition of identity, and going forward can and should be assumed present. << Sounds fair.
Thanks for outlining
this.
mod6: interesting convo
this am re: gossipd & v
mod6: Will have some more
to report on in a few days. Salud!
mod6: Good news from lastnight: Was able
to do some polishing and wrench
turning
to get
the makefiles
to utilize
the pressed source in src/
jhvh1: shinohai:
The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: though i suppose it should be a bunch of
tiny azn dicks rather
than one big one... hm...
mircea_popescu: how is it my kink ? i'm not
the one living on
the planet without copper deposits!
thestringpuller: Framedragger: just use apple's bluetooth earwaxphones << Glad I'm not
the only one who discovered despite who clean I
try
to keep
the headphones. Earwax gunks up into
the metal screens and inevitably fucks up
the sound.
mircea_popescu: also, pure coper comes native, if you live in a land
that doesn't suck you can just get yourself a chunk from
the local cave.
mircea_popescu: try doing
this in practice with pure elemental copper.
PeterL: and if you buy cheapo beef,
there is lots of fat drippings
to make candles with!
mircea_popescu: oddly enough,
they even went
to
the problem of copper-colouring it.
PeterL: asciilifeform don't you know
the future is wireless power? We won't need all
this copper running
through our houses once we make
the *tech breakthrough*!
Framedragger: asciilifeform:
that's what i'm worried about, you may have
to burn IP,
too. and i'm all up for mesh networks and post nuclear radio, but kinda sucks
that
the whole internet backbone may be incompatible with proper gossipd, gotta admit.
Framedragger: [like, *of course*
the only reason we want a spec which allows for data in initial syn packet is for shitphones
to be able
to load google ads quicker. use for security???! nowai]
Framedragger: [OT just for
the record, it seems
that rfc 7413 ("tcp fast open") won't do any good because (lo and behold) not only would it not save against syn floods, it'd actually introduce new attacks (2.2 and beyond). and existing mitigation
techniques may not work. gotta love
those people. yeah, fuck
tcp.]
mircea_popescu: this went away. about
the
time
the idiot us-style builders moved in.
mircea_popescu: lulzy intro : ro construction codes
throughout fully banned aluminum wiring,
to
the point
they'd hang you.
mircea_popescu: nobody asks you
to use
the cheapest fucking potmetal you can find.
mircea_popescu: point remains
this is one of
the most basic items of civilisation. it's been gotten right by most cultures
throughout
the many decades.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know what also is
tricky ? anal sex.
mircea_popescu: the principal limit is in people's heads, not in
the fucking reality surroundant.