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mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, the expression also was, "to get caught".
mircea_popescu: hopefully b v gets daughters, they get to be 16, call weekly "dad... i'm in jail... because i'm pregnant..."
ben_vulpes: "what was the first rule? DON'T GET CAUGHT!"
ben_vulpes will be damn reluctant to bail offspring out
ben_vulpes: why now that you ask, no and no!
mircea_popescu: "bail could be the full amount or 10% of the full amount" in small print.
mircea_popescu: best part about that ?
ben_vulpes: anyways, fixd, ty
mircea_popescu: ahahaha srsly, ben_vulpes uses T favicon ?
mircea_popescu: out of about thirty agencies, five respond. mp is awestruck by just how retarded the people involved are.
mircea_popescu: out of about thirty studios, twenty five respond, within a day mp has one dozen amply adequate locations for a casting.
mircea_popescu: oh and in other-other news : mp decides maybe he wants to turn http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/ into an art movie ; proceeds to call buenos aires studios and modelling agencies.
mircea_popescu: much to alf's relief, it's not a buncha baluba.
mircea_popescu: instead of pings, i shall now proceed to pronz. like so : http://67.media.tumblr.com/63e35b70e89db0293762942aa35cf992/tumblr_n06ukj9LrE1ruyp7wo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: it's you know.. not that high, 4kwh-ish.
mod6: wow, that seems high.
mircea_popescu: (there was a cold snap, and that place drew just about 19 amps consistently for days, i'm pretty sure)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had them replaced them with sane items, so they cut power, yes.
asciilifeform: or do these, also, do something exciting and unexpected in the land of the pampas cat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta ask, did the breaker blow ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: to her credit indeed. poor lady.
mircea_popescu: yes, pissing self is common in a) women, especially if well used (in practice, this is often seen around childbirth) ; b) scared people, especially if young ; c) electricity mishaps, especially if high voltage.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'd expect some missing flesh then, neh ?
asciilifeform: do they usually?!
mircea_popescu: mod6 to her credit she didn't even piss self.
mod6: mircea_popescu: your lady's hand looked ghastly. she should get to slap the first born of all of the industrial leaders in .ar.
mircea_popescu: but in other news, took delivery of proper copper cord ; should be interesting to notice how this one never ever blows up.
mircea_popescu: is this ADD ?
mircea_popescu: o hey, three comments on trilema plus twenty lines here.
asciilifeform: begs the question, why not simply communicate over this magical submarine cable to begin with ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's scheme answers 'E infers key, floods A with megatonne of shit' with 'A renegotiates key with all of A's peers via magical channel that E cannot saturate with shit'
asciilifeform: we had this thread, what, 3 times.
asciilifeform: this nails the whole scheme regardless of all other considerations.
asciilifeform: and FOR FUCKS SAKE, rsa ciphertext LEAKS THE PUBKEY
asciilifeform: just like the idiot 'tamper seals' that are trivially broken every day, not only by usg but by turd world pissant secret services, merely by penetrating the ENVELOPE.
asciilifeform: and if i can describe (and i can) how the scheme can be broken WITHOUT breaking the cipher, then the cipher is decorative.
asciilifeform: in approx. the sage's own words, 'piss in one hand, argument irrelevance in the other, see which one weighs more.'
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's favorite rhetorical device is 'this is not relevant.' hey, it's the man's own blog, who am i to say that he has to consider my observations relevant. but this nonsense won't keep rainwater out of a tent, much less ft meade.
asciilifeform: (picture a weapon that kills the same POPULATION PERCENTAGE of the firer's army as of the enemy. it would be quite useless. any weapon requires asymmetry to work.)
asciilifeform: E can ding A and B for less cost to himself than they incur from said ding. which is the elementary particle from which ddos is made.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's answer appears to be 'lala can't hear you.'
asciilifeform: as it stands, the cost to E of replaying any or all of the packets between A and B, or reordering, is 0.
mircea_popescu: so far this isn't a shared view.
asciilifeform: and came to conclusion that there is a massive hole in the scheme sketched out in subj link, that i can drive a maersk cargo liner through.
mircea_popescu: ok this multi-comment thing is getting out of hand. why not just think the thing through and say it once.
mod6: Nice thread!
mircea_popescu: yeah. prolly too soon yet.
mod6: when you think it's a good idea, we can add a project to tb0t if it seems prudent.
phf: at least this time annotations don't include 1000 line log excerpts
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118911 << ok i warn, this is long.
mod6: its a good dialogue though.
mircea_popescu: again. lol. thisis getting ridoinculous.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ << Trilema - [G]ossipd design document
mircea_popescu: not even just how long. it's just a sort of coupling. "these two have a solution to us army general problem"
Framedragger: " 'how long node a and b have been in communion'" - right, that i can understand, that it's not good
asciilifeform: especially not a useful tidbit such as 'how long node a and b have been in communion'
mircea_popescu: Framedragger understand what the problem is here. it's not that you give away the secret number 40084059534. it's that you give away the fact that you and X both somehow live in a world where ++ means something.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: idea is to leak 0.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: tho am not sure if it's necessarily bad, to leak incremental nonces. i mean, i know you don't want to leak one single useful bit to da enemy; i don't know if it's a practical constraint, even if it is laudible.
mircea_popescu: it gets worse, the concept of "incremental" is undefined.
Framedragger: actually, nm. if you don't want to leak incremental info of this kind, i guess it does become more difficult
asciilifeform: whereas if you make it incremental, you leak information that third parties have no business knowing.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: do you propose to keep track of all nonces used for all time ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'ma be answering throughout teh day!
asciilifeform: Framedragger: there is nothing simple about it.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 15:12 asciilifeform: it is unfortunately also one of the weak points in mircea_popescu's original sketch, as an enemy who turns up a 'for' binding signature can make an attribution of station ownership.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538479 << wouldn't a simple nonce prevent against replay attacks (if you can call them that), tho? or did you refer to a case where the enemy attains the actual privkey of the station? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ << plox to comment.
mod6: yah, totally a different ball of wax.
asciilifeform: fortunately this is not related to gossipd...
mod6: i apparently need to read your blog more, at least, on the specifics of lisp-cpu via verilog & fpga
mod6: i'll work on that.
mod6: the whole picture tho; need the whole picture
mod6: i'll have to reread all of this stuff; i have difficulty with a mental model of this. but i do follow the detail points.
asciilifeform: a correctly-operating gossiptron must not be distinguishable from an unplugged cord , to anyone not in its peerage.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 14:57 mircea_popescu: ok this is pretty scandalous.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538451 << it's good you acknowledge that, 'cause very time i want to point out "where's your $spec for $x guyz" i feel kinda shit 'cause i should do more, myself. which is a point. and yet the scandalocity remains! ☝︎
asciilifeform: this is the basic nothing-to-allcomers principle. for wot - everything. for rando - NOTHING. not even 'challenge packet' or whatever.
asciilifeform: enemy must NOT have the ability to determine that an arbitrary ip contains a gossip node.
asciilifeform: ('because he does not know the ip to ask' is an idiot answer. you don't even need to be at ft meade, Framedragger's scanner could easily be modified to send a challenge req to entire ipv4 space every couple of hours.)
asciilifeform: and anyone who - like mircea_popescu earlier - states that 'but all-comer will ~not~ be able to request a challenge' is stuck explaining why not.
asciilifeform: (if all-comer can get a challenge, this not only makes you ddosable tcp-style, but turns your gossip net into a ddosatron weapon for any idiot who can get spoofed packets into it)
asciilifeform: and violates the principle of nothing-to-allcomers. ☟︎
asciilifeform: earlier in thread, mircea_popescu pointed out - correctly - that signature is not the only form of cryptoauthentication, and that there is also challenge-response, a la deedbot etc.
asciilifeform: and it is doomed to sybilatronic heat death.
asciilifeform: whereas 'attribution for no one' is the current net and whoever wants it, already has it.
asciilifeform: (attribution 'for us but not for them'.)
asciilifeform: mod6: presently it is a machine which contains a box labeled ???, which is the answer to a mathematical problem.
mod6: i better reread all of this stuff :/
mod6: right. i think this whole topic is totally over my head these days.
asciilifeform: mod6: no lord in his right mind would connect his royal key to a machine that emits signed material autonomously.
mod6: and i suppose this makes it easier to swap out the station key and retain the royal key.
asciilifeform: it is unfortunately also one of the weak points in mircea_popescu's original sketch, as an enemy who turns up a 'for' binding signature can make an attribution of station ownership. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: aha, the 'for' item.
phf: (that idea is actually introduced in original gossip spec, but it's not obvious without rereading relevant bits a few times that it allows you to have secondary key
asciilifeform: and nowhere is it mandated that a station has only a sole key
asciilifeform: what i've referred to as 'station key' is simply a nonspoofable substitute for the ip address.
asciilifeform: simply because something was said in the castle of mod6 , does not mean that it was he who said it.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-09 14:51 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the correct pill is to decouple (at least from enemy's pov) gossip station keys from royal keys. << so to clairify this a bit, at least for myself, the gossipd node that I run and operate would verify transmissions sent to it with mod6-battlestation-key, but when I would actually go to send something out it would sign with mod6 "royal" or "personal" key?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538437 << think of the current separation between ~people~ and ~geography~. ☝︎