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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if i'm not mistaken, you built and used this thing? with what didja do it ?
asciilifeform: for this, need keccak vtron. presently i dun have one.
mod6: (I was just double checking here as to not waste time.)
mod6: aha, ok. in the past, i've alwasys built the sha256 stuff for my own purposes. let's see if i can get the keccak stuff build.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 18:46 diana_coman: asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code; since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree; mind moving it though to keccak?
asciilifeform: unless i made an elementary mistake and somebody tells me what it was
asciilifeform: mod6: i sat down and resolved to give diana_coman the promised item, but presently loox like won't happen tonight
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i dunno, it's been a while. i don't have time to tinker with it at the moment, gearing up for month end here.
asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick, and didn't shuffle correctly, or wat. phf can i persuade you to give a working recipe ??
mod6: im not positive, although, I think another troublesome one was hanbot's wp-mp, which BingoBoingo used esthlos' to press. i think.
asciilifeform: yes i read the note, to remove the sha branch. did it.
mod6: one has to, again, if i remember correctly, remove some of the vpatches from the "right" side. or something to that effect, to press successfull.y
mod6: anyway, it's been a while, so I don't know for sure, but if memory serves, I believe his vtree is incompatible with my vtron, on the whole.
asciilifeform: ftr i tried mod6's 'Version: 99994 K', and my old workhorse v100.
asciilifeform: i'd like to press this thing and put it in service already...
asciilifeform: and yes i separated out the sha patches.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf are http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ old-style or new-style vpatches ?? my vtron won't press'em, and there is no way to distinguish , nor anything in the post to indicate, unless i'm thick
asciilifeform: yea i'd expect it'd be a subchapter of some foreign thing
asciilifeform: i could've sworn there was a mircea_popescu piece re subj
hanbot: asciilifeform the phud service item? i've seen the trucks, at least
mircea_popescu: i never saw brain that size before!
mircea_popescu: from end to end, this, the same stable this. from "i can not read this book, the words contradict" "psychopath!" to all the way, it's all the same fucking problem : programmable machine or boulder ?
mircea_popescu: the more i think of it, the more i believe this to be the correct formulation. it's not merely, or specifically "me -- hither ; herd -- thither". it is quite specifically, and all-importantly : do words rule your worlds ? or do you expect "your world" to overpower my words ?
hanbot: pretty much. i can see contracts mapping to rights as mouthed by they with no conception of what rights mean neatly.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i am working on piece re the necessary benefits of uniting with africa. guy in 1850s intuited quite exacrtly this, "well... animals don't need most of what interests you for anything"
mircea_popescu: the implication is simply -- "i do not need words for anything and why should you".
asciilifeform: hanbot: and i haven't got a stable of slaves to sit down and convert'em
mircea_popescu: thinking about this... i guess this, THIS is actually the very substantial difference. "words shouldn't be able to break my bones", ie, have any effect AT ALL. "here i am, and here's the ass, and the hole in it ; it works as it works and what do you mean contracts ?" readily unites http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853128 with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-153.473-153.587 "abstract pri ☝︎
hanbot: i guess words are hard; buttercream is tasty.
asciilifeform: ideally i simply switch vtron to phf's and it's omnivorous.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly (see above) this is imagined headache, i'ma see
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 18:48 asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody )
asciilifeform: i'ma be quite impressed if he wrestles that crate from orchell
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854782 << i like his spirit lol ☝︎
asciilifeform: phf: i'm not especially attached to my ancient v, it suffered from several obvious sharp edges
phf: asciilifeform: i have one, i use it for testing, but it's not particularly kosher, e.g. it uses Argument/Argument_Count etc. i'll post it in a bit, maybe you can rework it on your bench
asciilifeform: ( for that matter , i could use standalone keccaktron also, but dun recall whether we have one or it needs baking )
asciilifeform: mod6: i've been using my orig vtron all this time. but recently diana_coman & mircea_popescu prodded, 'what's yer excuse for not moved to modern keccak-v' and i had no good counter, it's really time, so nao gotta actually uncrate phf's and make it go
mod6: <+diana_coman> asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes << I'm a bit confused too. I'm still using my vtron.
phf: i just got aarch gnat operational yesterday, so i'll republish it as a single tree anyway, but as of right now i think only esthlos's v does the fancy graph resolution
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty, was all i needed
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 , phf , et al : is the 'canonical' (i.e. most recent usable) oldv-tree of newstyle-v the one on phf's www ?
BingoBoingo: Tonight I am checking and printing paperwork, tomorrow catching a bus and registering as an importer
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not << At this point I am waiting for confirmation on my theory of the problem. I have identified the proper trámite and paper work it requires. If I am right in this theory other than my time, this will require a cross town bus ride to inconveniently located office to show papers and sign other papers swearing
diana_coman: as said above: it can certainly wait 24 hours and preserve history, what; and anyway, the tester part I see more as a branch only, because of the modifications required for testing purpose only (e.g. making the udp generic)
asciilifeform: ( maybe the smallest item i've genesis'd to date )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you'd rather proceed immediately, and generate a newstyle tree, i'ma read it and sign also.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma bake a new-style set and post closer to nightfall, currently boiling in cauldron of liquishit
asciilifeform: at least in the old vtrons ( i have not yet read the new one fully )
asciilifeform: so i take it it's going in the names.
mircea_popescu: for all i know .zip is "this truly ancient and obscure format for publishing toothpicks". da fuck i care.
asciilifeform: i ain't about to keep arj files on my box that are actually zip eithe
mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't tyell you to take the insane stance ; merely the necessary result thereof.
asciilifeform: i.e. a proper close of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851882 thrd ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma wait an' see what mircea_popescu says re subj
asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody ) ☟︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not aware of a converter but pinging phf to correct me if I'm wrong
diana_coman: I'm also not sure re naming convention for patches as I thought it was to use "_" ? i.e. why is the errata named udp_errata.asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what's the fastest way to do this ? ( i.e. do you recall whether phf published his converter ? or do i gotta crank it manually )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code; since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree; mind moving it though to keccak? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i... don't.
asciilifeform: i expect obummer II will fix this.
asciilifeform: i have personally seen this.
asciilifeform: the twist, is that ~can~ stuff it further, i've seen with own eyes even fatter specimens
asciilifeform: reminds me of a 1890s brit caricature i once saw, where 'esteemed gentleman's beagle has died, and he took it to 2 taxidermists...', one cheapskate, who offered him just skeleton with sock on it, other who used air pump, offered doglike baloon, with the phrase 'human strength can stuff it no further!' caption
mircea_popescu: i think mermaid is classist and opressive of people of submissive sexual orientation.
mircea_popescu: i expect ged.
mircea_popescu: no, that was ugh. hang on, i can only look one at a time
mircea_popescu: you end up with a postcard. i want it full screen for reals.
asciilifeform: ( i've got a few )
asciilifeform: i'd make iso. cuz of all the things i miss about physical dos boxen, sitting for 25min and listening to bzz-whzzik aint one of'em
mircea_popescu: i suppose similar to why parade officer uniform still has hat.
asciilifeform: or am i missing sumthing
asciilifeform: cuz how the fuck i know what is its label if i pulled it out of 20yo binder
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think i've ever mounted a disk by label
mircea_popescu: (in practice - /media exists because i want to mount d /media/cdlabel rather than mount d /mnt/64randomchars)
mircea_popescu: mnt is for "temporary". because i have permanent mounts!
Mocky: re inspection: i think they just want to see the place is real, has proper signage and has some necessary plackard posted on interior
mircea_popescu: she was liek "no, really, all i must do is see you have the keys"
mircea_popescu: in argentina the "inspection" consisted of girly from the local tax office following me to the place. i unlocked, she was like "ah, ok" i was like wut ? come inside, have a drink, walked all thios way.
Mocky: BingoBoingo, i see a handful, mainly in sky scrapers, 9 to 5ish hours. havent' found pricing yet
BingoBoingo: I figure if I can stuff a couple scuffed up dice in the appendix, it's all over for them in less than a month
mod6: I figure the back pain will be better once the bruising is gone.
asciilifeform: i think i have nearly as many without, as with..
asciilifeform: i'm still scratching head, re how the contents of all those derp racks got there. diplobags ?!
BingoBoingo: I eat them, customs folk can't imagine that, hippos dance, the lobos marinos sing, and at some point PizarroISP the musical will resound through the Gossipd equivalent of torrents
asciilifeform: ( i'm not even opposed, there's a rubbish bin right at the post office )
BingoBoingo: And... they specify "artículos eléctricos y artículos electrónicos"; Looks like I am getting a new piece of paper to hang on the wall.
BingoBoingo: But hamplanet judge wrote it off as "local standards" and who was I to take it to apellate court when Uruguay was calling
mircea_popescu: well, also a matter of principles involved. "these schmucks stole my shit, what matters it was only $300" sounds a lot better than "i am so fucking cheap, ima try and beg mom to let me off hook for $75 in damages".
BingoBoingo: But yes this is a civil law system here, and I don't see why anyone who went to a facultad de derecho ought to have any chance if I do case prep.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, in the reading of the now it looks like it could be a small wank where I may have to register the business of myself as an importer of products packaged in non-reusable packaging
BingoBoingo: I'll look for a copy of the code at the Feria Sunday
BingoBoingo: I have indeed
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you ever talked to the chinos ? i mean specifically the supermarket folks. they routinely blocade run, might be able to get you some shit ? << I'm trying to find restaurant Chinese here. The only Chinese Chinese I reliably come across are new chinese wearing suits and renting WTC to buy cows.
mircea_popescu: I reached out to this new contact, one Martin << whatever happened to this fellow btw ? story as recorded by ben_vulpes seems altogether inconsistent with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854501 ? did i miss some developments ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: anyway i have no opposition to an experimental test
asciilifeform: i'd normally expect would be dismissed with prejudice, under 'article 12345: we do whatever the fuck we want and suck it' but this is possibly biased by life in usa