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phf: i was thinking of just doing a mess of wires, but there was that shop floating around in the logs, that would print a pcb for you and put chips on it
asciilifeform: phf: i bought the pcb.
phf: asciilifeform: are you using breadboarded/soldered version, or you ended up printing the pcb too for the keyboard controller? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: lol, next time I gotta make the "candidates are old" declaration in press will have to wheel that out.
asciilifeform: when they wheel one in, and cart him out 6mo later, rinse, repeat.
asciilifeform: dunno about you BingoBoingo but i'm lookin' forward to the sovgeriatric era of usa
BingoBoingo: At is age and weight the edema has likely already capon-ized his cajones. All that's left of historical Trump the bankruptcy artist is a stimulant habit and sorry for his loss.
asciilifeform: last time they had a pres who wasn't a capon, they had to shoot him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's not an authorized part of the kabuki.
mircea_popescu: yeah imagine that, you'd expect obama'd have upgraded to a recent model sometime in the past 8 years.
shinohai: From tardstalk "News: Due to DDoS attacks, there may be periodic downtime."
asciilifeform: if this is the intended item, ignore.
asciilifeform: incidentally perhaps mircea_popescu remembers this, but '-connect' results in a node that no one can ever connect to.
asciilifeform: i'd like to know.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if either of my trbtrons aren't answering, now or whenever, gimme a ping
asciilifeform: eh i can see a, e.g., michele obama, switcheroo, but not the old fart.
mircea_popescu: "we'll just move the contents later, what."
mircea_popescu: oh and re the "it's not hillary" conspiracy theory : it'd be fucking epic if they actually... switcher her with trump. "you dun wanna vote for clinton ? fine, vote for trump then!"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's the current list of public trb nodes ? i have -connect=108.31.170.49 54.187.227.228 46.166.165.30 91.218.246.31 172.86.178.46 50.168.67.12 of which a coupla be answering.
mircea_popescu: "why do drones prefer to fuck young drones ?" "fresher batteries"
mircea_popescu: i paranthesized mostly for the ... robomorphical interest. SEX! for machines! increases their lifespan, just like for people, but differently.
mircea_popescu: yeah, none of this is very practical yet.
asciilifeform: recall the 'battery to fly loaf of bread to buenos aires from washington' thread ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Um. I met a hobbyist once who spent 10 grand on a plane. Point for Traffic Delivery Bypasser is to be resusable not "disposable".
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the usb-bandwidth drone could in principle be designed with two batteries. it starts using one, then when dead moves to other. and design could allow for drone tango - where they connect, as per ancient thread with alf, to make bigger drone - which could conceivably allow them to swap batteries, in a strange sort of robomating dance)
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yes, but when going out to landing strip one doesn't deal with shopkeeps. WHich is why you need to have stringtimmers on truck.
asciilifeform: fine for usg. not so great for people who actually count their money.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: large amounts of nitro fuel << hobby shops don't seem to care. People go through barrels of the thing during a nerdy weekend with friends on the airfield.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#617 << tesla "energy at distance" inductors!
asciilifeform: http://www.airindustriesresearch.com/siram/images/diagram.jpg << can dispense with the flapper also.
thestringpuller: was a joke. the one you sent is a pretty advanced version :P
thestringpuller: No throttle.
asciilifeform: engine that costs what ~can of sardines costs.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the film clip in link is good illustration.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-12: [15:46:35] <asciilifeform> and in particular, '...a large bird such as an eagle or kite does not keep in the air mainly by moving its wings. It is generally to be seen soaring, that is to say balanced on a rising column of air. And even soaring becomes more and more difficult with increasing size. Were this not the case eagles might be as large as tigers and as formidable to
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#586 << yes ; main point of wings in pajura is to pilot the downward thrust towards victim.
thestringpuller: The only reason the RC plane-UAV dropoff service became a thing was due to insurmountable traffic.
thestringpuller: You'll see a few muthafuckers with those things on the airfield. I dunno how "reliable" they are tho. Then again, I'm not enough of a pilot to even call myself a hobbyist.
thestringpuller: i guess it's the same physics involved.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if the thing is landing cargo of cocaine or plutonium in your back yard, the noise is not 'whatever'
thestringpuller: For one two stroke engine planes are from the fucking 50's. Those are antiques. Most advanced hobbyist used nitro powered planes. They are slightly noisier than RC model, but given how high you can fly them in practice it's kinda whatever. Second, the autonomous part has been around since the arduino became "mainstream" albeit asciilifeform may find it a snore fest the APM unit can fully control an RC plane. If programmed properly it
PeterL: I thought "drone" was just a less-TLA-y version of "UAV"?
asciilifeform: (they were good ~strictly for target practice then)
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> discreet 2 stroke! << :Launch and Retrieval vehicles double as lawcare truck!
thestringpuller: "drone" is a general term ben_vulpes NO NEED to get all riled up
asciilifeform: ever ~heard~ one of these things go ?
thestringpuller: the ArduPlane project is old af, but requires actual brain to use.
ben_vulpes: "discreen delivery with drones in this manner" is a quadcopter per the guardian link
ben_vulpes: no, not in the slightest wtf.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is actually what I just said
ben_vulpes: make the recipient fuel 'em back up, what
ben_vulpes: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/22/drone-carrying-drugs-crashes-near-mexican-us-border << why people do this and not fixed wing is a mind-boggle
Framedragger: hipster SF version still exists (found this some months ago) : https://trees.delivery/
thestringpuller: i kno. but i've talked with a hobbyist turned "professional" and does discreet delivery with drones in this manner. they've gotten highly advanced.
asciilifeform: and that's just the publicized ones.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: these come out every month or so.
thestringpuller: old news tho
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: So. Turns out your Drone thing is a reality.
PeterL: I guess if it is cheap enough/target is high value that could be useful
asciilifeform: now one interesting scenario is if the flying machine dropped ~itself~ as a bomb, using propellers for course correction on the way down.
asciilifeform: one reason why ordinary airplanes drop bombs, rather than darts, is that the necessary accuracy for a dart hitting a man-sized target is not available.
PeterL: not saying it is new, just that it might help with quadcopter armaments, using gravity to assist rather than trying to think of shooting like guy standing on ground
asciilifeform: not as if subj were a new thing discovered this week.
asciilifeform: PeterL: bombardiering is an actual thing, could read up on the problems involved with actually hitting target.
PeterL: looks like a bullet terminal velocity is about 100 m/s, so you would reach that anywhere over 500 m.
asciilifeform: and in particular, '...a large bird such as an eagle or kite does not keep in the air mainly by moving its wings. It is generally to be seen soaring, that is to say balanced on a rising column of air. And even soaring becomes more and more difficult with increasing size. Were this not the case eagles might be as large as tigers and as formidable to man as hostile aeroplanes.'
asciilifeform: in so until it drowns. A few insects, such as water-beetles, contrive to be unwettable; the majority keep well away from their drink by means of a long proboscis.'
asciilifeform: 'A wet mouse has to carry about its own weight of water. A wet fly has to lift many times its own weight and, as everyone knows, a fly once wetted by water or any other liquid is in a very serious position indeed. An insect going for a drink is in as great danger as a man leaning out over a precipice in search of food. If it once falls into the grip of the surface tension of the water—that is to say, gets wet—it is likely to rema
asciilifeform: and eminently relevant to the 'pistol on quadcopter' thread.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-14 05:25 asciilifeform: 'You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft; and, on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away, provided that the ground is fairly soft. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-14#1018441 << re terminal velocities. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: at the cost of more friction
PeterL: add some fins to get it spinning, avoids tumbling
asciilifeform: you cannot actually discount the friction, aha.
asciilifeform: terminal velocity for the dart is usually much less.
asciilifeform: laziness, of this type, is a sin, PeterL .
PeterL: (I probably calculated that in HS physics class, but I am too lazy now)
asciilifeform: PeterL: ww1 state of the art
mircea_popescu: omaigerd you can do your math too cantcha ?
PeterL: how high would it need to be to be lethal?
mircea_popescu: hey, some people take pest control seriously.
PeterL: why not just drop bullet from above rather than firing?
asciilifeform: iirc they are even commercially sold in usa.
asciilifeform: can fit these, and more, in '12 gauge' shell.
mircea_popescu: ancient marine warfare thing. like linked shot but smaller.
asciilifeform: what's that
asciilifeform: more or less ideal weapon for the scenario
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:53 asciilifeform: heads, leucrota, manticores, vultures, paranders, weasels, dragons, hoopoes, owls, basilisks, hypnales, presters, spectafici, scorpions, saurians, whales, scitales, amphisbenae, iaculi, dipsases, green lizards, pilot fish, octopi, morays, and sea turtles.' -- eco's 'name of the rose'
mircea_popescu: quite reminescent of the "man half penis" medieval things.
asciilifeform: quite reminiscent of the 'balloon boy' incident.
asciilifeform: PeterL: not that idiocy again
mircea_popescu: in fact, this is a study on ballistics. fire from center of mass at 3pi/4 angle, go for a parabolic ride.
mircea_popescu: possibly. depends how high this is.
asciilifeform: 'straight up' will likely convert the thing to a brick immediately.
mircea_popescu: so. that item above : for 200 bucks, can fire a 38. you will have to add some software for it to fire in a convenient direction for itself while also hitting target.
asciilifeform: they, as every aficionado knows, reliably shatter if they so much as touch a blade of grass.
mircea_popescu: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/MF-500mm-Aluminum-Tube-Folding-Four-axis-Alien-Quadcopter-Aircraft-Frame-w-MF-BMP-Brushless-Gimbal/206605_1562408736.html << neat looking thing, too.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the weird farms, http://67.media.tumblr.com/2698f6760e7f0f575560258cdb67b94f/tumblr_nwphykHJLg1ucyfvgo1_1280.jpg
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell diametric do you know of a good reason a 2-3kg chopper couldn't be built on aluminum alloy frame ? not whether it is, nor why afficionado's don't, but whether couldn't.