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trinque driving for a bit, will rejoin
thread in ~1hr
trinque: but I
think
this would be an interesting experiment, and should be possible in lisp
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 02:39 mircea_popescu: create
two copies of
this "asdf" platonic solid, place
them appropriately,
they will be distinct items. and proceed.
trinque: iirc ben_vulpes did
too, so I retract
the "anyone"
jhvh1: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: asciilifeform:
The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: well salt mine is actually a latrine
too. everything pretty much smells like shit when clean latrines all day.
thestringpuller: I was knee deep in a project
that used all 3 a couple days ago. I'm still washing off
the stench :(
mircea_popescu: in
the way I can, because itЎЇs
the world general business language which can simply understand in anywhere in
the world, well I am
the son of
the former president of Cote D'Ivoire (ivory coast) in west Africa Mr. Laurent Gbagbo."
mircea_popescu: and in other jours de la francophonie news, "Please carefully read. Sorry for
the inconveniences it might occur
to you, maybe if youЎЇre not interested in
this my proposal I will be offering
to you now, and again also I will be very sorry if my English writings do not meet your expectationЎЇs, please
try
to understands my country is officially a French speaking country, but I have
to use English language for writing you
mod6: ok, yah. his
thing basically figures
that you make a new dir and so-forth
mod6: <+asciilifeform> anyway
this is not a bug report for mod6 << no worries either way. more
than anything, I want
to help you use it successfully. :]
phf: asciilifeform: being updated in a sense
that we can't have a meaningful v conversation, since your b-t is from 2009, mine is from 2011 and
trinque's is from 2016 most likely. all logbot has is a pointer
to "cl-log". for all i know
tomorrow's version of cl-log is not even going
to have b-t in ir
mod6: i've never even seen his cookbook, but perhaps his doesn't have more
than one project in a dir. but indeed, ya, you can do
that. even if 'tis ill advised.
mircea_popescu: <mod6> did you bother
to read
the extensive documentation
that i wrote? <
mod6: so here's my using 'init'
to sync
trb, and
trinque's ircbot,
then using both.
trb with
the default 'patches' and '.seals' and ircbot with
the non-default:
http://dpaste.com/2EFW6G4.txt mod6: if you want
to ~re-sync~, you need
to use: 'sa', 'se', 'ss', or 'sv'
mod6: it does
that on purpose.
mod6: so
this is what you ran into?
mircea_popescu: and since you wash what you bring home, esp prior
to use, well...
mod6: is
this not what you're
trying
to do? one parent dir,
two child 'patches' dirs ('trb' and 'ircbot'), each with respective seal dirs ('.trb-seals' and '.ircbot-seals') both being able
to be used ~fine~ with v.pl (v99995)
phf: bordeaux-threads? it's being updated, last commit is june 25, 2016. main problem
though is
that you never know when it's going
to get
the cffi
treatment, or slime
treatment, etc.
phf: (asciilifeform: have you
tried reading bordeaux-threads
that cl-irc depends on?
that
thing is nasty. kind of defeats
the whole "here's a clean irc bot vpatch" if you're pulling dodgy, constantly changing dependencies)
mircea_popescu: anyway, blessfully
there exists
this magic librarizing where "kernel" is split from "userland". which can be
the border for a while.
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean :
take
that library apart, merge it into
the bot, be happy, it'll be one project as god intended.
mircea_popescu: if someone comes up with a way
to sort in linear
time, you a) READ his way b) UNDERSTAND his way and c) IMPLEMENT it. yourself.
that's
the golden measure. and ideally you come up with what he came up verbatim. or else you have a discussion on
the
table!
mircea_popescu: you keep
the
thing you read, and paste it where you need it.
mircea_popescu: this is not a problem in
the constraints presented. "create
two copies of
this "asdf" platonic solid, place
them appropriately,
they will be distinct items. and proceed."
mircea_popescu: libraries ;
the modern coder's excuse for not reading code. "it's a LIBRARY!!11!!! dude. you don't read
that!"
mircea_popescu: check him out, adept of fits in head, worried about not being able
to find
the broken code HE SHOULDNT HAVE HAD. pshhh
mircea_popescu: stop coding for bugs, and stop wearing condoms
to your babysitting jig.
mircea_popescu: create
two copies of
this "asdf" platonic solid, place
them appropriately,
they will be distinct items. and proceed.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: they are not mutually dependent on one
thing. logbot depends on asdf-logbot ; ircbot depends on asdf-ircbot.
these MAY be identical, but
the fact
that
they are identical is a people-knowledge, not a machine knowledge.
phf: asciilifeform: i remember when i was
talking about asdf, you were saying
that
the problem has been solved by v. in
this case
the split exists explicitly because logbot/ircbot are mutually dependant by asdf, but no in any v way
mircea_popescu: there is no such
thing as a "library" ; and
there is no such
thing as "code reuse". put everything in a directory and build it.
mircea_popescu: that's
the
thing
that has
to fucking die, "libraries" in
the linux sense of
the
term.
mircea_popescu: because
that's
the fucking point : for a project
to be one project. not
two.
mircea_popescu: "they were
trinque's logbot and
the base lib it was built on" <<
this is what you said. it is different from what you are saying now.
mod6: and
then, you understood how
to do such a
thing, even if, ill advised?
mod6: did you bother
to read
the extensive documentation
that i wrote?
mircea_popescu: again : do not fix
the level. fix
the god damned wall.
mircea_popescu: the fact
that you
tried
to build a badly packaged project (spurious split in
two) has ~nothing
to do with mod6 's bootstrapping
tie-in.
mod6: and im stuck between
trying
to making getting
trb up and going for people, in a "one-trigger-pull", and an organic vtron garden.
mod6: it is actually difficult for individuals who are new
to
this,
to figure out
the entire
thing. and concepts.
mod6: so, it
turns out, in practice,
that it very much is not so.
mircea_popescu: very useful for entryway as it is.
the monk is welcome
to purify his learning after.