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mircea_popescu: anyway. hard
to
tell from a pic,
there's considerable variance in abdominal swelling.
mircea_popescu: some of
the weirdest shit
there. including somebody who
thought using a common glass salad bowl as a receiver is a good idea, somehow ; lotta casual "your cunt's bare, why not be naked" stuff, and etc
phf: well, cmucl version was very cmucl specific, when i ported it
to lispworks i made it portable, but i'm sure
there are some small
things left
phf: fuck it, i'm going
to port it
to sbcl
phf: right, but
the url above
timeouts
phf: <**> Out of memory: Failed
to allocate object of size 40000008 [10/10]
trinque: ^ announcement of Newman's resignation from
the project
trinque: best lisp compiler is in
the hands of imbeciles, is wat.
mircea_popescu: ok,
this is almost as fun
to watch as girls doing butt lifts.
mircea_popescu: "most lisps
today are buggy half working implementations" or how did
the quote go.
phf: i probably wrote most code for
tbr/shiva, and it was an exercise in rewriting common lisp from scratch
mircea_popescu: this method seems wasteful ; from experience it actually delivers.
the more direct, intuitive approach not only always fails, but predictably so, which is why it's such a great ally of statu quo.
mircea_popescu: the way
to owning
technologies is ; by picking
technologies
to own
that are small enough on
the way
there. much like
the way
to eat a whale is by eating earthworms while frogsized.
mircea_popescu: anyway, more productively : an actually working lisp environment isn't a bad idea ; but premature
today imo.
trinque: phf: offer stands for me
to be your court jew of sbcl-ing
phf: from now on i'm working on mp-wp, full
time, a shell of a man. you can point newcomers at an old shambling figure, "that's phf. he's
tending our flower bed"
phf: that's it, i'm retiring.
to elba
trinque: nameless bastards, afraid of signing
their works.
phf: i've used cmucl in
the past, like 10 years ago, and still have most of my lisp code for it/in it.
than i switched
to ccl and deployed few
things commercially with it.
the only lisp i've never explicitly worked with except
toying around is sbcl
mircea_popescu: because 5yo me had observed some cows, and figured... what
the hell!
mircea_popescu: you know, 5yo me came home one day, asked mom if "fried cow is good
to eat".
phf: but
the rewrite happened for
two reasons, one is
that i wanted
to do interesting analysis on entire corpus (which is something python will strugle with) and
that
tmsr canon called for
technology ownership. cmucl seems like a reasonable stack
to own, considering
that it's abandonware. fwiw it benchmarks faster
than either sbcl (by fraction) or lispworks (by a huge margin, wtf now) on doing bit
twiddling like
the search
that we do
mircea_popescu: i only have
to go in
there when someone "upgrades" something.
phf: i'm pretty sure i've not had
to
touch it once
phf: anyway, first version of btcbase was written in python, and ran for a year as a proxy
to znc with a synchronizer
to kako. basically exactly what Framedragger has right now
mircea_popescu: this is how
they
think, you know ? and while not conscious, because celenterates, nevertheless effectual. because a large collection of betas will naturally fall on solutions
to
the problems of betas.
trinque: one of
them at least is a complete idiot who
told me in #sbcl
that gpg signing was pointless because "somebody could just pay me
to sign something malicious"
phf: sbcl last
time i checked was entirely developed by google
mircea_popescu: not
to necessarily discourage
the eager from using lisp or anything else. by all means. but certainly
to discourage an unrealistic view of performance etc.
trinque: sbcl has been
taken over from
the original guy
phf: asciilifeform: well, fwiw i used sbcl for years and was running in increasingly larger number of problems. just small annoyances. when i
tried interacting with sbcl "community" it
turned out
to be
the usual suspects, google employees, gender pronounced. i have
the same antipathy
to sbcl as you
to llvm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc you deployed
the only
thing known on python which worked ; and serve via apache ?
pete_dushenski: 'EVERYTHING MUST GO IN
THE DISHWASHER AND
THAT MUST BE FINE.' << chez moi i
throw everything in
the dishwasher, which i
then run when full and empty
thereafter, while
the girl does
this 'wash by hand as you go and air dry on
the rack'
thing for reasons i don't fully comprehend.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-15: [17:37:23] <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: recommendations for wp footnote plugin? footnotes-in-footnotes would be a grand feature if any can do
that and it's not a mp-wp-footnotes custom job
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform based on exactly
this
type of interaction with exactly
this
type of fellow, back
then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see anyone here (other
than me, but w/e) ever spend
time debugging apache etc.
phf: there was
this idea in
the naggum emails
that all
the problems go away once you stop being cheap and pay for a real lisp. maybe
that was
the case in 2001 when he wrote it, but in practice it
turns out
to not be so
mircea_popescu: oh, so you mean enough
to pay for a dedicated server running lamp for a whole year ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i always
thought 'garburator' was more of a garbage-purolator : a machine for mailing garbage as far away as possible
phf: nah, professional, i have a license from elsewhere,
that i'm .. evaluating
phf: in case anyone
thinks
that commercial lisp vendors are any good, i'm getting completely random failed
to allocate errors on lispworks
phf: yeah, i decided
to
touch
the server and now everything's broken
phf: in other news apparently
the command is "nickserv release"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu:
There were no matching configuration variables.
pete_dushenski: 'but eventually relented and
traded
the garburator for a hood over
the stove,' << current place... doesn't have range hood. smoky ? smelly ? open
the windows and patio doors and get a cross-breeze going
mircea_popescu: is "garburator" supposed
to be "garbage carburator" ? because
that may be
the lamest corporate attempt at humour
to date.
pete_dushenski: 'I was dead-set on finding a house with a garbage disposal, or "garburator" as our sorry ("Sorry!") neighbors
to
the North call
them,' << l0l! love
the souble dorry. also, i've never lived in a house or condo with a garburator and may never.
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