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trinque: nah, and wouldn'
t surprise if diet has a lot more influence on mouth health than this brushing thing
ben_vulpes: you know i don'
t think we've ever done the "sonicare" thread in here
mircea_popescu: gotta face the facts : logs are fragmentary ; memory is fragmentary. you won'
t have perfect recall for physics reasons.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was last seen in #trilema 54 seconds ago: <asciilifeform> but looks like we haven'
t a 'seen' tool any moar in-chan.
trinque: maybe sweden's gene pool isn'
t doing so hot
ben_vulpes: i have seen too many spines ruined at the hands of people who suggest fixes that "might work, might leave you crippled! we don'
t even know what's wrong to begin with!"
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Don'
t tell me you miss the upboats ben_vulpes << Simple solution, tag everything with >9000 for simply having been nominated for the bash is greater than any number of votes
shinohai: Don'
t tell me you miss the upboats ben_vulpes
Framedragger: (just fyi, mkj (which hosts scriba; separate from siphnos which hosts scan data, phuctor cache, etc.) is going down soon for maintenance, but downtime shouldn'
t exceed 15min)
diana_coman: no, no, no shinohai you don'
t get it; the whole point is to NOT LOOK like a tv dinner
diana_coman: quite; the next step in this company's quest for market domination and all sorts of successeses will probably be a "re-thinking of the box so that the customer can just push a button and the ingredients jump into their place in the pan" - for those who want to cook but don'
t want the hassle of dealing with pans and pots
diana_coman: well, that doesn'
t sound like it's meant for cooking; it's meant for pretending to be cooking without actually cooking as it were; quite the elaborate pretence, but that's not new anymore
ben_vulpes: spoiler alert: ai can'
t in2 dicks afaict
mircea_popescu: much like the cock cage on the impotent middle aged man. saves him a middle age crisis -- it's not that it dun get up, it safely can'
t so all is well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people dun generally want to drop the hand once it becomes obvious it can'
t win, because reasons. it was obvious re swiss once they "agreed" to drop bank secrecy. it was obvious re trump once he "agreed" to promote niggers. etcetera.
Framedragger: random thing re ^ is that *for some reason*, a huge bunch of polish folks had bank loans in swiss franc. because "switzerland stable, good country for banking", something something. when swiss franc inflated by *a whole lot* vs. the zloty, they weren'
t exactly exalted. :/ kinda lulzy thought process must have been
ben_vulpes: hey i didn'
t know the swiss gave up the peg
mircea_popescu: trinque btw don'
t get deterred, we do want deedbot wallet before any kind of deeds search.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mebbe noob, but i can'
t figure it from the paste. so 40kb of ram and 66 hits but how many total lines or index items or w/e it sifted through ?
Framedragger: actually haven'
t, just recall searching around when you referred to it. kk. :)
mircea_popescu: trinque you gotta understand, up to a certain point i do enjoy executive priviledges that make it easier for me, but nevertheless up to a different point you don'
t express yourself too well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulzy bit being that Framedragger didn'
t even implement a search yet, though he has the psql right there :D
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo may enjoy investing in a french press; great way to brew regular coffee << They don'
t make those in my size
lobbes: ah I miss the ol' coffee+nicotine combo. Had to ditch the coffee half recently though; stuff doesn'
t agree with me anymore (and I'm only 29 O.o)
trinque: by now aren'
t those just "being european" ?
shinohai: You don'
t stop giving the whores junk ......
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soviets similarily denied afghani whatever, then permitted again. this suggests - empire doesn'
t honestly gas.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i am not proposing an alternative for that function. doctor isn'
t in the line of proposing replacement for cocaine, and from the "i wanna feel good" perspective the whole pharmacopoea is a waste of space. << This is why CIA popularized freebase salt of cocaine
shinohai: If the shitty, 4 year old hardware I run my node hasn'
t burnt down the house yet I'm highly optimistic for you mod6 :D
TomServo: mod6: Sorry, nothing to report as yet. Node is still running, wedged, and untouched. Haven'
t had time to delve any deeper.
mod6: felt so bad for the young lady. it wasn'
t a hard punch or anything... but still. lol.
mircea_popescu: i had one i couldn'
t touch. hence keep ssds in fanned thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don'
t think su ever delivered 1mn of any kind of calculating machine, since we're on it.
mircea_popescu: if pressed i wouldn'
t even have imagined there were 1mn people who doi things left in the 80s us.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, they want to do things that don'
t involve talking to girls or ~~~horror of horrors~~~ being at their call.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 18:29 phf: ok, i guess we both know what the problem is. my solution is "study db related algorithms until you know enough to write a db", your solution, unless i misunderstand, seems to be "use an existing database a lot". i don'
t understand how learning, say, postgresql will get you from not knowing anything about db internal design to writing your own
mircea_popescu: i am not proposing an alternative for that function. doctor isn'
t in the line of proposing replacement for cocaine, and from the "i wanna feel good" perspective the whole pharmacopoea is a waste of space.
mircea_popescu: trinque the issue is that just because it felt convenient to the wee tyke it doesn'
t follow it is ~useful~.
mircea_popescu: "excel i understand" "no you don'
t" "but i've been using it forever" "not even that."
mircea_popescu: the people paying themselves megabux aren'
t going to be doing for the reason they told you they did it.
ben_vulpes: too dry, doesn'
t have the nasty taste of reality
mircea_popescu: then... she doesn'
t know how much for the dozen. if they're 400 each then 12 is... 3600...
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:15 phf: ascii actually can criticize postgresql from the position of understanding. knowing intricacies of psql is not knowledge (rtrees, caching, etc.), it's trivia ("you have to turn lever 3 and depress button Y"). ascii knows what he needs to express, but he can'
t express it directly, because he's running against architectural constraints of his tool. from that perspective a general "databases are shit" is an entirely valid perspective.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 16:07 phf: tmsr work is primarily defined by its voluntary nature, if i had to do things same way i do it at the office i wouldn'
t bother. ascii doesn'
t know intricacies of psql from his day job, and i think it's cruel and inhuman to make him study psql ~as part of tmsr work~. it's not the kind of know how you get to learn by sitting down with a cup of tea and a large printout..
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 15:57 phf: they laughed at me when i said btcbase doesn'
t use a database, who's laughin now
ben_vulpes: "just remember you can'
t take your words back, these aren'
t Ethereum transactions"
trinque: and I don'
t see that you get much "culture of honor" without it
trinque: phf: one thing they don'
t do is speak for the other, then proceed from there as if it'd been said
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 19:35 phf: but that's a roundabout way, and you could just read about it in a blog. if the position is that "we should study postgresql source code extensively, as a necessary prerequisite to writing our own database", then i would agree with you, but that doesn'
t seem to be what you're saying
phf: but that's a roundabout way, and you could just read about it in a blog. if the position is that "we should study postgresql source code extensively, as a necessary prerequisite to writing our own database", then i would agree with you, but that doesn'
t seem to be what you're saying
☟︎ phf: that still doesn'
t answer my question, but the question is at the core of my point. you don'
t read existing implementations, you don'
t attempt to write new implementations, you're ~using~ a system that does these things for you. so what is ~knowing~ in this case.
trinque: the re-implementor of modern computing doesn'
t dispense with these as "you didn'
t really need that"
phf: well, that wasn'
t a rhetorical question, i was interested. so the second question remains, what does knowing entail in this case
phf: but i don'
t think you're even talking about cracking open the covers? so what does the knowing of these "exceptionally well" things entail?
phf: in db sucks threads you necessarily talk about pain points. i don'
t think ~anybody~ here disputes that postgresql is a solid piece of engineering
trinque: and I'd question the ability of anyone to replace it who didn'
t bother with that list of things which has fuck all to do with SQL
trinque: I don'
t criticize that he used it; I do all the time for lack of alternative which has the properties I want
trinque: asciilifeform did, so I didn'
t mind trying to help with that car wreck, having been in plenty of them myself
phf: ok, i guess we both know what the problem is. my solution is "study db related algorithms until you know enough to write a db", your solution, unless i misunderstand, seems to be "use an existing database a lot". i don'
t understand how learning, say, postgresql will get you from not knowing anything about db internal design to writing your own
☟︎ phf: yes, you can'
t sit down with a collection of independent algorithms combined in a specific way and use it in a different way without writing extra code, but that's what repl is for
phf: but i don'
t think that working with a black box of rdbms will
phf: the "glue" point is a strawman, because you don'
t know how i write my code. as far as problem/solution though
lobbes: But re: fits in head. Isn'
t phf's/alfs argument that you cannot really even audit said generalized glue?
trinque: I can'
t sit down with something like that and ask it ANYTHING
phf: but the reason that they don'
t all use sql, is because sql is really bad for certain narrow kinds of tasks and suboptimal for a slightly larger set of tasks
trinque: phf: I didn'
t claim everybody uses SQL
trinque: phf: ah, then wasn'
t my intention
trinque: they don'
t have a billion of anything
trinque: can'
t shitbag the entire notion of "db" and expect to do that correctly