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asciilifeform: i do it for a living.
asciilifeform: and i'm not root.
asciilifeform: can i execute arbitrary ring0 cpu instructions or not?
mikaeldice: I'll leave your hint to this.. somewhere on the system will be an administrative user who can access the security software to disable these protections; the system won't allow you to remove the last security administrator
asciilifeform: but if i can, i win.
asciilifeform: if i can't execute arbitrary ring0 instructions, i'm not root
mikaeldice: I hadn't, but it'll be taken into account now :D
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, i assume it's the standard uid=0 access
mikaeldice: I'm open to suggestions
mikaeldice: I came here to try to find the best way to prove it's not a scam, the best I could come up with is escrow
mikaeldice: Not a scam.. when I do actually post the competition it'll be on the forums, and with an escrow for the BTC
mikaeldice: I can throw in 1 myself, plus whatever competitors add
mikaeldice: I'd go to 10 if my company would sponsor it, but I doubt they would
nubbins`: urbit, i dunno
Apocalyptic: they are loaded in memory at the start I believe, so if one could dump the memspace of bitcoind you have it
Apocalyptic: in fact I was incorrect, it's not really an equivalent problem
mikaeldice: true, but it lacks a certain panache.. I'd like to see a hot wallet sitting on a server with open root access for a month unmolested
mikaeldice: I dunno, the excitement of it. I want to show that a hot wallet can be secured
mikaeldice: Maybe I could have the initial 1 BTC held in escrow, to be given to someone who can force the webapp to display their own bitcoin address
Apocalyptic: I think you don't really have a way to proove it's their
mikaeldice: Maybe the webapp can sign a message every hour or something, but I don't know if that'll include the IP address where the message was signed
mikaeldice: But to go back to the original problem, I need a way to prove that the wallet is there to begin with
mikaeldice: I'd be keeping a keylogger record of everything so I can see how it's broken if it is broken. Maybe I could throw that up on the webapp for spectators
Apocalyptic: I say 10 BTC is decent
kakobrekla: i doubt it would get approved cause you can play it
mikaeldice: I don't have that to throw around. But I could probably start a bitbet for spectators who don't have access.
mikaeldice: I'm not sure.. probably 1 BTC to start with, plus whatever challengers throw in
mikaeldice: kakobrekla, I'd leave it up for a month or so, maybe longer. A minimum of a month
mikaeldice: Yep, but I'll give you a hint, it involves kernel level protection
Apocalyptic: "try breaking past the rest of the security" // i guess figuring this out is a part of the challenge
mikaeldice: I'd even make a little webapp that interacts with bitcoind so there's another vector for attack
mikaeldice: Nah, I could disable iptables
mikaeldice: But I need a way to prove that the wallet is there
mikaeldice: lol, truffles. It'd be a test of sorts, to prove the security software out. If it can hold up to an open invitation to the bitcoin community to try to break it, then I'd say it's relatively secure
mike_c: you know, i tried urbit and asked for destroyers. never got an answer.
mikaeldice: Maybe I'd throw something up on bitbet too.. that would be fun to watch
mikaeldice: Or maybe I'd just let it ride forever
mikaeldice: Each time someone buys the root login, the bitcoin would be added to the wallet for a total pot.. I'd keep it after a month if nobody could break the security
mikaeldice: But I need a provable way to show that the wallet is on that machine that they're given access to, or people will yell scam
mikaeldice: hostname/IP.. I'd probably use linux on EC2, then have the machine run a little program that interfaces with bitcoind and gives out the password whenever someone gives it a bitcoin
mikaeldice: I want to make a bet on the strength of the security software being used on the computer, that given the root password and an unencrypted wallet, that still nobody could steal the wallet
mikaeldice: There's an ip address encoded into a transaction, right? Maybe I can have the machine sign a message or something
mikaeldice: I'm trying to think of a way to prove that a wallet is on a specific machine
mikaeldice: I have access to one
mike_c: i can't tell if their webpage is broken or just really bad
nubbins`: i'm just not sure in what other context it would make sense to have a service that moves btc from one country to another
jborkl: I guess they think there is a shortage of ways to get $ into mexico
nubbins`: i don't get it
mircea_popescu: i dont see how
mircea_popescu: a well i guess it has no other way to do it if you have no blockchain
Apocalyptic: jurov, sounds interesting, i fell in love with python already heh
jurov: i'm falling in love with electrum, mostly its tinker-friendly python console
thestringpuller: I keep hearing footsteps baby, in the dark
asciilifeform: i've always thought of 'FYM' as a slavic thing.
nubbins`: recall some time ago i was explaining that being the son of a dog was a grave insult, then they just start throwing numbers in front of it?
jurov: dunno really, just what i remembered from their talk
asciilifeform: (i see no pads for ROMs, jumpers, or other protection mechanisms in that photo.)
thestringpuller: i guess you can always just do FPGA
jurov: idk... as i wrote, ask slush
asciilifeform: i grew up reading about inventors, hucksters, etc. and i always thought it was obvious that you need a prototype to really wake people up
dub: http://i.woofmaker.com/-PhaOjbPRK7R_ovD.gif
asciilifeform: given that i don't, for the most part, live there
asciilifeform: jurov: i'm quite 'out of date' re: 'happenings in bitcoin universe'
jurov: i'm actually surprised you found out only now
jurov: and i'll forward this log to them with delight
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if there are no weird crypto laws there
jurov: asciilifeform: as i wrote several times here, it's made by slush & stick, czechoslovak dudes
asciilifeform: https://github.com/trezor contains no source for the embedded micro, as far as i can see.
nubbins`: they were starting to roll out the suicide doors city-wide when i was there tho
dub: I'm sure the artist has worked here
mircea_popescu: i should dig up my pics from cairo central
ThickAsThieves: i still think walls are the answer
asciilifeform: i believe the ancient greeks used something similar, with a broken clay pot ☟︎
thestringpuller: as I said you can likley debase paperwallets if used for exchange
jurov: i have seen only trezor prototype board, to be delivered in 2 weeks
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: holograms? i thought most 'paper wallets' are simply strips of paper crammed into 'arse safes'
thestringpuller: i'd buy one just to see that
asciilifeform: though i suppose you could write arbitrary files to the slate.
asciilifeform: i kept waiting and waiting for the modern internet crackpot community to pick up 'scalar waves!' and 'torsional waves' crap from the '90s
asciilifeform: 'This week a cluster of VPS that i have been using... ...has been compromised.'
Bugpowder: I hear teppy moved some of his stack
mircea_popescu: or not, i guess. all the same.
Bugpowder: I was surprised by that fidelity thing that it hadn't driven the market up higher…. guess we know why. One person did it and Second Market oversold it.
Bugpowder: sorry, I think it reality terms.
Bugpowder: heheh, I don't care about that market.
benkay: the biz network that i leverage for work is in the us
benkay: mircea_popescu: i don't have the luxury to let my money make more money
the20year: I'm sure a good deal of it was in the stutenland and danzid corridor
benkay: mircea_popescu: i'm trying to suck as much fiat into btc with overpriced us programmery hours as i can
benkay: mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect i won't have time to get out of the country.
benkay: man i'm trying to make shit-hitting-the-fan hedges but i think that even small towns that are nominally self-sufficient in this country are so tightly coupled to the rest of the country that they'll devolve into chaos too
Bugpowder: I'm sure new york is a mess too
ThickAsThieves: ha i was just gonna quote that part
mircea_popescu: if i were to confiscate all property with broken title that's 80+ eyars old, i would be able to pay for the us deficit maybe even 3-4 years
asciilifeform: re: eagle coins: if i'm found with 'toyota' and no titles, receipts, etc. and a dealership whined about being short of exactly one such...
pigeons: i picked fox cause you know, fair and balanced
asciilifeform: are they gonna search the hundreds of 1980s EEPROMs in my junk boxes when i hang?
jcpham: i missed that
pigeons: i thought he was trolling
nubbins`: yeah, i've got one 2011 error