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mircea_popescu: the curse of
this language space is
that pretty much everything degrades by degrees into
this wordy masturbation where people get excited over ideas
then agree
they can't be done
then move on
to
the next.
mircea_popescu: that's
the problem here - ideas are exciting, but for lack of practice western man has all but lost any knowledge of
the actual excitement of actually doing
things.
PeterL: oh, yeah, I
think it just lapsed
Framedragger: myeah, i know. but i also
think it's only a matter of degree of effort: if i'm not important enough in
their eyes, i'll be fine. if on
the other hand i am,
then
they'll find a way
to link me
to station and will pay a visit. a.k.a. binary "are you important?" security model.
Framedragger: i'd risk getting a visit from
the spooks here, honestly been interested in viability of low bitrate (plain-encrypted, in my mind) radio exchange for a whole.
mircea_popescu: do not say it anymore ; or do. for all
the difference it makes, you can pick either.
mircea_popescu: you say useless all
the
time for absolutely no reason ; and had a year's + worth of warning.
too late
to appeal
this.
mircea_popescu: and
the alf "useless" signal can be safely ignored. he's decided
to shit in own mouth, what can you do.
PeterL: mircea_popescu at one point I demonstrated a script
to do
that, asciilifeform scoffed at it as useless
mircea_popescu: as a sort of steganography. who
the hell is going
to prove
that radio chatter is "not really what it seems"
mircea_popescu: markov chains can be used for
the purpose of symmetrically "encrypting" ; make every byte a different word, it will be "plaintext"
mircea_popescu: ah also : re "encryption" : we CAN use
the eliza involved in gossipd spec (anyone actually did
this or just some quick napkin work and
then forgot about ?)
to eliza
the actual emissions.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: so
that's
the
thing, maybe prototyping gossipd designs over usual packet-switched internet is not even worth it?
mircea_popescu: and i do recall it ; which proves
that
they aren't eh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because geodispersed. most of
the
time, sqrt n etc
mircea_popescu: Framedragger
this whole convo keeps popping up ; nobody's seriously against it.
mircea_popescu: ie, if you have 10k 10w stations rather
than 100kw one, you will, if sanely handling errors, get a better channel from cluj
to melbourne.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and
those will of course not have much bandwidth capacity. but i maintain
that
to usefully PoC
the
thing, you don't need much at all. jeebus, having a radio-based key server would be amazing already
mircea_popescu: yes, but lottery works for you when you got a lot of
them.
mircea_popescu: something like
that. except for
the exact definition of short.
Framedragger: (consider a
true radio relay, by which i mean a relay which sends, receives, and *passes on* messages received from one end
to
the other)
mircea_popescu: desperately needs it
to be 100k because protecting some other unexamined notions
this way!
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 12:33 Framedragger:
tty wifi dongles, but rather long distance shortwaves, etc.)
Framedragger: you don't need
to cover
the whole damn globe (ionosphere bounces notwithstanding). it's just a *node*
mircea_popescu: are
there any stations even left
that do 100kw in soviet us ?
Framedragger: i still don't understand why
the hell you need
them 100kW
mircea_popescu: by now it should be pretty self-evident,
to you
too.
the moment one of
these preconceived
things gets out
the mouth and
then starts shapeshifting for dear life in conversation, you got an example.
PeterL: did we already do
thread "transmit from drone flying overhead"?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no.
they don't care ; it's you
that have mental issues.
mircea_popescu: let
them "guide
the gasenwagen" at $100k
to $20mn per guidance, untill
they fall over.
mircea_popescu: power
the
thing off battery, dump a bunch around people's houses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally,
this suggests an extremely cheap way
to fuck with
the empire. produce mini board
that outputs salt-hashed counter nonce, rsa and emit it.
Framedragger: i mean personally,
to be able
to exchange pgp-signed sha512 hashes would make me super happy already - maybe premature ejaculation, yes, but it'd be a *useful facility*.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger sure ; even noncompliant channels may have
their uses. but still, in general you want
to aim for a 30 kbps minimum.
Framedragger: yeah i wouldn't
transmit encrypted shortwaves from usa,
that indeed sounds like doom
Framedragger: (i know
that ideal lighthoused would have much higher
throughput.)
Framedragger: 10kbps, imho, would be *fine* for
the beginning. enough for lighthoused PoC if
there were
to appear one later, enough
to sync state, exchange keys, etc.
mircea_popescu: in any case : 1 mb blocks, 10 minute blocks, you
therefore must have no less
than
Framedragger: asciilifeform: no disagreement, hence
the
tone (happily masturbating each other,
they are). point was,
they're able
to listen
to each other rather easily
Framedragger: but all
those radio amateurs happily listening
to each other's callsigns around
the globe -
they don't have powerful stations do
they?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends how much it costs. in any case,
there's a relationship between required-density and square-of-radius.
mircea_popescu: in short : it wouldn't be wasted work, we'll certainly use it later ; it's not yet scheduled, but
the scheduler isn't blocking in
this sense.
Framedragger: that's
the way it works, i guess.
talk is easy
Framedragger: that's
the
thing, i wonder if a few points around
the globe wouldn't be enough, in principle!
mircea_popescu: not
that you can't just go ahead and proof it, if you want
to.
mircea_popescu: it is on
the list, but first gotta have better geographic density of republican lords.
Framedragger: shortwaves bounce around
the ionosphere and all
that
mircea_popescu: however, costs money
to operate hardware. what's
the rush.
mircea_popescu: in principle we could have a
tmsr radio station. even makes for excellent call sign,
TMSR.
Framedragger: btw regarding "there is no sane NIC out
there" problem and appreciating
the fact
that designing a whole proper NIC may not be an efficient effort ("ip stack should be eventually abandoned", lots of work, economies of scale at work in semiconductor production, whatnot), i wonder why asciilifeform hasn't considered investing
time not in seeking a sane nic, but rather designing / using a sane
transport protocol via *radio* (i don't mean shi
Framedragger: but i guess
that's what's effectively happening anyway :)
Framedragger: would be great
to have a nosuchlabs observatory lab, with results exposed over sql or w/e, as discussed
mircea_popescu: the deep point here being
that
this is a fundamental property of usgian "ghidusii" :
the long
tail of straggling losers.
Framedragger: yeah for a sec i
thought
this was new. but
totally should be done
Framedragger: actually, half
the
time you're probably speaking
to an overcaffeinated framedragger
mircea_popescu: by now it's a 5 year old
thing, if
they were gonna do something about it
they've had done by now.
☟︎ Framedragger: (i mean, polling and re-polling later
to check status etc)
Framedragger: hmm, gotta script
this carefully. prolly not gonna be
today. but will
try and do
this.
Framedragger: i'll prolly do
this and make use of vc's cockbox. his /dev/null attitude
to abuuuuze complaints is appreciated.